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Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by majewsky »

rbrownsuse wrote: post #33
giancarlostoro wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For years I only used distributions based on Debian, Slackware was my first distro but it's such a burden to get Wi-Fi going. I gave SUSE a shot and have not looked back, anything I need to install is available. I think my only issue with openSUSE was getting DMD (D language compiler) to cooperate for some reason. I'll likely just use Vagrant with Ubuntu as a work around. My only issue is the fact I can't have it on…

People have been asking for that for quite a while.. https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-oce... There are plenty of hosting providers who do offer Leap and sometimes even Tumbleweed images. My blog is hosted on Hetzner (they're local ;)) We have a solid presence on all the major Public Clouds https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Cloud Would love to be everywhere, so if any hosting companies want to get…

Hetzner is really awesome. They even offer a painless Arch Linux installation which works great.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by krylon »

rbrownsuse wrote: post #48
krylon wrote: post #46

I have some relatively fond memories of SuSE, because it was my first GNU/Linux distribution. Back then, it had the advantage of being pretty newbie-friendly (graphical installer / system control utility) and good ISDN support. Since ISDN apparently never became popular outside of Germany, not many distros had good support for it, and setting it up manually could be a real pain (at least for a newbie - a couple of ye…

YaST was written into Ruby, yes. These days YaST no longer overwrites config files, except from a very few corner cases where it really really wants to be in control of specific config files for very specific reasons. But if it notices local changes, it warns the admin and doesn't take over unless the admin consents So, no more unexpected config file obliteration :) (and even if it did, YaST is integrated with openSU…

Thanks for the info! I think I'll give it a try over the next extended weekend.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by mdip »

LoneWolf wrote: post #60
mdip wrote: post #39

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I agree with you on Gentoo. I loved the project from the rolling distribution standpoint and had run it for a while but long-term maintenance of it was a mess. I'd reserve a few hours for doing updates since every emerge would have me validating via diffs every configuration file (which it, unintelligently, wanted to return to the "sample" state). Tumbleweed struck the right balance for me. Bleeding edge, rolling dis…

Being a Gentoo user for years, if your issue is the config file updates I would say they are nearly if not the same, AFAIK there are some better tools other than etc-update that may make it easier. The whole compiling from source well you can avoid some that with binary packages but that is not the focus of the distro, it has always been compiling from source. About the updates I currently run it on a server and plan…

Many thanks for the info -- actually, the reason I'm looking into Gentoo, again, is specifically because of the "compile from source". I have a particular need where this is the only solution that suits it well so I'm glad they haven't abandoned that (I seem to recall that about the time I left Gentoo, they had just introduced binary sources for the kernel and such to speed up getting a system working "from nothing").

I'll poke around for information on alternatives to etc-update. That really was a bear and where I'm planning on using this I'll want to have that work with a lot less overhead.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by digi_owl »

rbrownsuse wrote: post #23
wjoe wrote: post #22

This does all sound quite compelling. Somehow OpenSUSE has fallen under my radar, I've been an Arch user for a few years, and Gentoo user before that, and I'd only ever be interested in rolling distros, but I wasn't aware that OpenSUSE had Tumbleweed for this. I did find dependency conflicts all too common on Gentoo, and keeping the system up to date was a frequent struggle. I've not had any major issues with Arch re…

nvidia drivers - we don't recommend them because we have a habit of adding kernels quicker than NVIDIA can keep up with their proprietary drivers If you really want to use them, I'd recommend the dkms drivers we have in OBS https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_the_hard_way#Further_read... And yes, I believe if you want you can install with sysvinit, though we are primarily a systemd distribution first (with extensive s…

> people still love those runlevels

Ts'o has a interesting use case for runlevels that didn't translate well to systemd.

He set up a runlevel on his laptop that was the same as the graphical one, except it stopped various daemons etc to keep battery drain low. He would then switch to said runlevel when he would be away from a socket for an extended period.

When he tried to translate that to systemd, he ended up with all kinds of side effects. One of them being that he lost access to the Fn combos, so he could no longer control the screen brightness etc.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by giancarlostoro »

rbrownsuse wrote: post #33
giancarlostoro wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For years I only used distributions based on Debian, Slackware was my first distro but it's such a burden to get Wi-Fi going. I gave SUSE a shot and have not looked back, anything I need to install is available. I think my only issue with openSUSE was getting DMD (D language compiler) to cooperate for some reason. I'll likely just use Vagrant with Ubuntu as a work around. My only issue is the fact I can't have it on…

People have been asking for that for quite a while.. https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-oce... There are plenty of hosting providers who do offer Leap and sometimes even Tumbleweed images. My blog is hosted on Hetzner (they're local ;)) We have a solid presence on all the major Public Clouds https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Cloud Would love to be everywhere, so if any hosting companies want to get…

Thank you for the UserVoice link, I added in my vote, hopefully others here in HN who enjoy SUSE do as well. I would also love to see SUSE more in the cloud, it is definitely a great distro.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by vmorgulis »

rbrownsuse wrote: post #35
vmorgulis wrote: post #34

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That's great! I found the piece of code I was looking for inside "tinycv" (about OpenCV): https://github.com/os-autoinst/os-autoinst/blob/3c2f5edda09b... I switched to Debian from Fedora a year ago during the "freeze" in the release cycle. I wonder what is the stability level of Tumbleweed compared to a standard (non-beta) Fedora or a Debian testing. Is it the good repo for Tumbleweed OpenQA test? https://github.com/…

Yes, we share one test repo amongst all the openSUSE distributions and SUSE distributions SUSE use openQA for testing their enterprise distributions too, and keeping all our tests together and reused as heavily as possible really helps in all directions (and proves the argument that maintaining openQA tests isnt hard even when dealing with multiple codebases-under-test all moving at different paces) I use Tumbleweed…

Thank you a lot. I'll try Tumbleweed.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by breakingcups »

Well, this might just replace my current Debian setup as a daily driver. I've been wanting something like this for a while but had no idea how to do it technically in a feasible way. I guess you've done it for me.

Thanks for posting this and (if you still read this) the thorough followup in this thread.

Re: Why You Should Use Tumbleweed

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Post by rbrownsuse »

breakingcups wrote: post #67

Well, this might just replace my current Debian setup as a daily driver. I've been wanting something like this for a while but had no idea how to do it technically in a feasible way. I guess you've done it for me. Thanks for posting this and (if you still read this) the thorough followup in this thread.

My pleasure :) thanks for reading!
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