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Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you live, that new homes have locks like those? Because here new houses pretty much require class C anti-burglar doors (which roughly means, they should be impenetrable in less than 10 minutes) - they have non-standard keys and complicated locking mechanisms, door-frame is locked into concrete etc. etc. Otherwise cost of your insurance will go through the roof.

Where do you live? "Here" could mean South Africa, in which case you'd have a point. But it's also very much a special circumstance, as anyone from that part of the world would attest.

It's not that special. I live in Brooklyn, New York, and we're pretty keen on locks here too.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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This whole article is hilarious. At no stage whatsoever has Apple actually made a statement that confirms they haven even requested the method used. All this laughable article could provide is "quotes" from an antivirus company. Apple don't really care how they did it, or even if they really did crack it, just as long as they didn't have to be seen doing it for the government.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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I really find this whole thing hilarious. First, it's Apple sticking it to the FBI by making a stand for privacy and receiving public accolades doing so as a champion of privacy. The FBI is the bad guy trying to invade our privacy. Now, it's the FBI sending a giant "screw you" to Apple by not only letting them know they were able to hack into the phone without Apple's help but at the same time, making a mockery of Ap…

Oh, you mean the password their agents set, AFTER the city unlocked the iPhone using the standard administration interface? The phone was a City Phone, was managed by the City, and had all the standard controls of a Managed iPhone. Well, ask the agent what they set and/or read their logs. This isn't rocket surgery.

The password that was reset was the iCloud password, preventing the phone from automatically backing up until the new iCloud password was updated. The unlock pin was not changed.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you live, that new homes have locks like those? Because here new houses pretty much require class C anti-burglar doors (which roughly means, they should be impenetrable in less than 10 minutes) - they have non-standard keys and complicated locking mechanisms, door-frame is locked into concrete etc. etc. Otherwise cost of your insurance will go through the roof.

Where do you live such that those things are required to get a decent insurance rate? My insurance never mentioned a single one of those requirements.

I live in Sweden and I got a discount on my home insurance if my outside door is of a certain class (although apparently most reasonably modern outside doors you can buy cleared that bar so it can't have been that high).

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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I really find this whole thing hilarious. First, it's Apple sticking it to the FBI by making a stand for privacy and receiving public accolades doing so as a champion of privacy. The FBI is the bad guy trying to invade our privacy. Now, it's the FBI sending a giant "screw you" to Apple by not only letting them know they were able to hack into the phone without Apple's help but at the same time, making a mockery of Ap…

This certainly isn't how it looks to me. The FBI comes off looking like complete fools to me. They said that they needed Apple's help to get into this phone, that there was no other way, and that Apple's refusal to help endangered national security, humanity, and the universe. Then they got called in front of Congress and schooled by a Congressman, one of the last places you'd expect to find anyone remotely technically competent, about NAND mirroring. A few weeks later, they call the whole thing off, saying they didn't need Apple's help after all.

They come off looking like complete fools at best, since their huge public spectacle was based on "only Apple can do this," and now that it turns out they could have done it themselves, it just looks like they're incompetent.

Meanwhile Apple comes off as fully committed to their customers' privacy even when it means standing up to the US government. The fact that the FBI was able to get into this phone doesn't really change much; the mere fact that Apple could have gotten into it already means that security was lacking on it, but it seems to me that everybody understood that this was an older model and newer ones are better. Which is funny, because I'm pretty sure both the FBI's proposed attack from Apple and whatever the FBI did themselves would work on the latest hardware too, but just about everyone is convinced that the Secure Enclave would prevent it. And then in September Apple will announce the iPhone 7 with Even Better Security, further demonstrating their commitment in this area.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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Does anybody really believe that Apple doesn't either know how it was done or at least know it was one of X ways (with X being the number of exploits they know about internally that could have been used)?

This whole circle jerk was about the govt compelling Apple to bypass its own security so that they can do it in every other case to come after.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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I really find this whole thing hilarious. First, it's Apple sticking it to the FBI by making a stand for privacy and receiving public accolades doing so as a champion of privacy. The FBI is the bad guy trying to invade our privacy. Now, it's the FBI sending a giant "screw you" to Apple by not only letting them know they were able to hack into the phone without Apple's help but at the same time, making a mockery of Ap…

This certainly isn't how it looks to me. The FBI comes off looking like complete fools to me. They said that they needed Apple's help to get into this phone, that there was no other way, and that Apple's refusal to help endangered national security, humanity, and the universe. Then they got called in front of Congress and schooled by a Congressman, one of the last places you'd expect to find anyone remotely technical…

> Meanwhile Apple comes off as fully committed to their customers' privacy even when it means standing up to the US government.

My conspiracy theory instincts tell me that this is a play to fool us into thinking that Apple is fighting for our privacy, in order to make us trust Apple unconditionally and in the meantime not develop new ways of hiding our communications. In reality I think the government always gets what it wants.

Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone

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I really find this whole thing hilarious. First, it's Apple sticking it to the FBI by making a stand for privacy and receiving public accolades doing so as a champion of privacy. The FBI is the bad guy trying to invade our privacy. Now, it's the FBI sending a giant "screw you" to Apple by not only letting them know they were able to hack into the phone without Apple's help but at the same time, making a mockery of Ap…

>And now, Apple is in panic mode, slowly realizing that they went from being the hero of privacy in the modern age to the company that wasn't able to secure its phone from the FBI. From the FBI. Of all things. Some applications that I cracked, yghm illegally, had TOS or EULA with something like 'you're not allowed to RE our app" or "if you find a vulnerability you must let us know about it in the first order". Doesn'…

Such TOS/EULA are horseshit, and even if FBI do nothing else right, they're right to ignore such.
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