Ask these guys, not the feds: http://www.cellebrite.com/Pages/cellebrite-solution-for-lock... You are welcome Apple.
"without any hardware intervention". Hmm, does this mean they're not desoldering the flash?
Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
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Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#22I really find this whole thing hilarious. First, it's Apple sticking it to the FBI by making a stand for privacy and receiving public accolades doing so as a champion of privacy. The FBI is the bad guy trying to invade our privacy. Now, it's the FBI sending a giant "screw you" to Apple by not only letting them know they were able to hack into the phone without Apple's help but at the same time, making a mockery of Ap…
...or the FBI didn't succeed to hack the phone, and just tries to justifies why it won't proceed to trial. By the way, since the FBI said this phone will allow arresting other terrorists... did we find anything relevant on the phone?
More likely that they did manage to find a 3rd party that could unlock it and found nothing, this wasn't the suspects personal phone (those were also recovered) but it was his work phone, the 6 week old backups had no information on it, the attack was planned more than 6 weeks in advance and it is highly unlikely that he used his work phone to contact any one involved in this.
They've probably spent six to seven figures on hiring a 3rd party for a bespoke service just to find what any analyst could've assumed - nothing.
That said given the severity of the situation even a 1 in a 1000 chance to get some additional information would'be been worth the kings ransom they must have had to pay to get it unlocked. At the end think what you want of the FBI but that's exactly what their duty should entail, forcing Apple to unlock it is a murky business but investing resources in unlock the phone themselves is perfectly within their right and even obligation to do.
I don't understand why people are going apeshit about this no one would bat an eye when the FBI picks a lock or breaks into a safe how is an iPhone different?
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#23To best of my knowledge, there's no law saying the Government has to disclose squat to Apple. Given the public bickering/brinksmenship going on these past couple weeks, I doubt they'll be inclined to do so, and they're probably also bound by NDA's from Cellebrite or whoever created the hack (if the Feds even know how they did it) There's some irony in here somewhere...
Is it possible that the FBI has violated the DMCA?
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#24To best of my knowledge, there's no law saying the Government has to disclose squat to Apple. Given the public bickering/brinksmenship going on these past couple weeks, I doubt they'll be inclined to do so, and they're probably also bound by NDA's from Cellebrite or whoever created the hack (if the Feds even know how they did it) There's some irony in here somewhere...
Is it possible that the FBI has violated the DMCA?
Probably not, according to Bruce Schneier
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/08/dmca_does_not_a.htmlRe: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#25Ask these guys, not the feds: http://www.cellebrite.com/Pages/cellebrite-solution-for-lock... You are welcome Apple.
"without any hardware intervention". Hmm, does this mean they're not desoldering the flash?
Cellebrite's full portfolio is not public what you see on their site are very basic turn-key solutions.
They have a bespoke service called CAIS as well as few other unlisted services which they do not advertise openly given their sensitive nature.
Their turn-key forensic solutions are tailored for general law enforcement and the public sector (private investigators, corporate security, law firms etc.), CAIS is usually offered to state security agencies and they have other services which are tailored towards intelligence and national security agencies.
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
...or the FBI didn't succeed to hack the phone, and just tries to justifies why it won't proceed to trial. By the way, since the FBI said this phone will allow arresting other terrorists... did we find anything relevant on the phone?
More likely that they did manage to find a 3rd party that could unlock it and found nothing, this wasn't the suspects personal phone (those were also recovered) but it was his work phone, the 6 week old backups had no information on it, the attack was planned more than 6 weeks in advance and it is highly unlikely that he used his work phone to contact any one involved in this. They've probably spent six to seven figu…
> no one would bat an eye when the FBI picks a lock or breaks into a safe how is an iPhone different?
Because it was not about that one iPhone but the planned precedent with immense effects: using the court-order to "write" the new laws, and FBI started the whole thing exactly with that goal:
http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/26/fbi-apple-iphone-precedent-pol...
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
...or the FBI didn't succeed to hack the phone, and just tries to justifies why it won't proceed to trial. By the way, since the FBI said this phone will allow arresting other terrorists... did we find anything relevant on the phone?
More likely that they did manage to find a 3rd party that could unlock it and found nothing, this wasn't the suspects personal phone (those were also recovered) but it was his work phone, the 6 week old backups had no information on it, the attack was planned more than 6 weeks in advance and it is highly unlikely that he used his work phone to contact any one involved in this. They've probably spent six to seven figu…
If you were a lock or safe maker, wouldn't you want to know how people were able to crack your product so you could improve it in the next version? Or would you just keep trying to sell a version of the thing that people buy to keep their stuff safe with a known exploit? Good luck.
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
More likely that they did manage to find a 3rd party that could unlock it and found nothing, this wasn't the suspects personal phone (those were also recovered) but it was his work phone, the 6 week old backups had no information on it, the attack was planned more than 6 weeks in advance and it is highly unlikely that he used his work phone to contact any one involved in this. They've probably spent six to seven figu…
> no one would bat an eye when the FBI picks a lock or breaks into a safe how is an iPhone different? Because it was not about that one iPhone but the planned precedent with immense effects: using the court-order to "write" the new laws, and FBI started the whole thing exactly with that goal: http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/26/fbi-apple-iphone-precedent-pol...
And? I've specifically stated that I don't think that the FBI demanding Apple to either unlock the phone or reduce the level of security is appropriate, the FBI breaking into it them selves is perfectly fine.
Re: Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
More likely that they did manage to find a 3rd party that could unlock it and found nothing, this wasn't the suspects personal phone (those were also recovered) but it was his work phone, the 6 week old backups had no information on it, the attack was planned more than 6 weeks in advance and it is highly unlikely that he used his work phone to contact any one involved in this. They've probably spent six to seven figu…
If you were a lock or safe maker, wouldn't you want to know how people were able to crack your product so you could improve it in the next version? Or would you just keep trying to sell a version of the thing that people buy to keep their stuff safe with a known exploit? Good luck.
I wouldn't consider lock makers as a good example on one hand they ask for feedback from locksmiths to improve their designs and on the other actually train licensed locksmiths how to break locks.
The vast majority of safes also have a backup lock or code.