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Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by yarou » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 3:02 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #323

hitekker wrote: post #310

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I personally give up once a person gets so defensive that they start excusing murderers. That a person will so quickly sacrifice their morals for their face on an internet forum, is disheartening.

All too often, people confuse groupthink with morals. With a little dialog, I suspect that we could identify some accused murderers that you would excuse.

And you're conflating moral absolutism with groupthink. Not everyone subscribes to moral relativism, as much as you might want them to. Groupthink would be to eschew one's morality entirely, and merely subscribe to some sort of prevailing opinion on morality. Which is ironically what you're asking the parent poster to do.

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by ekianjo » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 3:09 AM UTC

mratzloff wrote: post #216

myrbergs_army wrote: post #59

Original author of the story here... Just to add that 1. yes, the reporting on Le Roux's childhood is more tentative based on a family source (well backed up by docs and images sent to me). But the fact that the same Le Roux created E4M which formed the basis of TrueCrypt is something I think I've established definitively, company and site registration trails show it very firmly (and PLR himself admits it in court, b…

Please, turn this series into a podcast. If done well, it would be as compelling as Serial. It would be a compelling character study.

Why does everything have to end up in a podcast?

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by favoriteketchup » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 3:13 AM UTC

So Paul Le Roux's birth mother -- the one who's the wife of an unnamed U.S. Senator -- was she previously the wife of another Senator from a different state and political party?

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 3:25 AM UTC

yarou wrote: post #331

mirimir wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All too often, people confuse groupthink with morals. With a little dialog, I suspect that we could identify some accused murderers that you would excuse.

And you're conflating moral absolutism with groupthink. Not everyone subscribes to moral relativism, as much as you might want them to. Groupthink would be to eschew one's morality entirely, and merely subscribe to some sort of prevailing opinion on morality. Which is ironically what you're asking the parent poster to do.

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Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 3:47 AM UTC

yarou wrote: post #331

mirimir wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All too often, people confuse groupthink with morals. With a little dialog, I suspect that we could identify some accused murderers that you would excuse.

And you're conflating moral absolutism with groupthink. Not everyone subscribes to moral relativism, as much as you might want them to. Groupthink would be to eschew one's morality entirely, and merely subscribe to some sort of prevailing opinion on morality. Which is ironically what you're asking the parent poster to do.

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Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by stordoff » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 5:08 AM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #192

spacehome wrote: post #167

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Not really. As much as it pains social justice warriors today, in English, the words 'he', 'his', and 'him' have a gender neutral usage. And in any case, saying that a computer science security researcher is male is way less than a bit of entropy.

> As much as it pains social justice warriors today, in English, the words 'he', 'his', and 'him' have a gender neutral usage. 'He' is sometimes used in this fashion, but it is an uncommon use, and it's arguable that in some contexts the author actually means a man and has not considered the possibility of a woman. Certainly in this case, why would you assume that it is used in a gender-neutral sense? > And in any ca…

> 'He' is sometimes used in this fashion, but it is an uncommon use

It may be partly due to my background (I studied law [in the UK], and it is law that all statutes refering to 'he' be read in a gender-neutral fashion unless it is clear that the opposite is intended[0]), but I never assume that 'he' refers to a man unless that is obvious from the context. The gender-neutral usage of 'he' is fairly widespread.

[0] FWIW, the updated Interpretation Act (from 1978) applied the same to 'she', though I don't recall ever reading a statute that used 'she' as the gender-neutral term.

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by TeMPOraL » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 5:08 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #324

joshAg wrote: post #315

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Use the similar document for $COUNTRYOFCHOICE

OK, but there are lots of them, and they're all hard on foreigners.

Use the Bible. That's something a third of the world agrees on, and the whole west is founded upon it.

But seriously, murder being bad is pretty much a human moral universal. You'll find that basic idea wherever and whenever you look (+/- various caveats).

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by rasz_pl » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 5:35 AM UTC

ipsin wrote: post #112

If Le Roux was arrested in 2012, what was the mechanism of the May 2014 discontinuation of TrueCrypt? In other words, who actually did that?

2014 is the time Le Roux is reported to be cooperating with US government, and TrueCrypt end of life "please migrate to BitLocker, its double extra safe, promise!" message fist nicely into that.

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by mirimir » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 5:35 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #324

joshAg wrote: post #315

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Use the similar document for $COUNTRYOFCHOICE

OK, but there are lots of them, and they're all hard on foreigners.

I am not arguing that murder is OK. But I do suspect that Paul Le Roux is being railroaded. I also suspect that Barack Obama, who clearly has far more blood on his hands, will never face trial.

Re: He Always Had a Dark Side

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Post by peterkelly » Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 5:49 AM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #232

LyndsySimon wrote: post #209

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> I have to say I was fairly hesitant to search for that data. It's not the kind of thing you want showing up in your search history... That, in and of itself, is a very interesting phenomenon, don't you think?

Yes and no. My hesitation was twofold. On one side, there was the thought that if there was tracking, it could flag something, but I viewed that as mostly an irrational fear, since I doubt there's any other indicators I put out, and I doubt I'm worth following that closely. On the other, it's just kind of embarrassing if I had to explain why that showed up in my search history if for some reason it was exposed. That'…

It's not an irrational fear.

Here's what happened when a husband and wife separately searched for information on pressure cookers and backpacks:

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-...