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Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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A few notes on items I find a bit strange here. 1. To get from the East Bay to SF in the carpool lane you need 2 passengers (3 people total - or a car that only seats two) 2. The East Bay already has a pretty nice system for this called the Casual Carpool which is probably its biggest competition. The Casual Carpool is just a bunch of spots (usually BART Stations) where drivers can stop and pick up a few other passen…

Casual carpool does not solve the first/last mile problem, though. Lyft Carpool seems to be door-to-door.

Fair but OTOH I don't mind walking 5 minutes for a free ride into the city.

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insurance and regulation arbitrage is basically the name of the game for Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb as far as I can tell.

That sounds clever and informed but is mostly obnoxious.

What? It's well known that both Uber and AirBnB long relied on their users to operate unlicensed jitneys and unlicensed, uninspected, uninsured lodging houses.

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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No driver background checks or vehicle inspections, per the TOS [0]: "The Carpool Platform is operated by Clara Rides, Inc., not Lyft, Inc. Clara Rides, Inc. is not a Transportation Network Company or a transportation service. Clara Rides and Lyft do not conduct criminal background checks on Carpool Drivers, perform vehicle inspections on vehicles used for Carpool Rides, or provide insurance for Carpool Rides." [0] h…

Most people are more concerned about getting somewhere than reading contracts, seeing proof of insurance, etc. -- this based on seeing how commuter sharing systems work in the wild. If you're super concerned, next time you flag down a taxi make sure you make sure they're not a "rogue" cabbie; them being uninsured is the the least of your concerns.

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A serious question to everyone complaining about uninsured drivers: do you ask your friends for proof of insurance before getting in their cars as passengers? Do any insurance companies sell passenger insurance to cover accidents when you're the passenger in a car with an underinsured driver?

I have health insurance, so treatment for my bodily injuries is covered. Someone else is driving, so if his negligence results in a wreck I generally won't be liable to the other driver. I won't be responsible for fixing his vehicle. That covers most garden-variety car wrecks, so there is little need to be concerned about my friend's insurance. I suppose if I were really on top of things, I would ask my friends for p…

Your injuries could potentially be more than what your insurance would pay, thus your driving friend would be liable for the injuries.

Actually your insurer would likely go after his, assuming he had it, to get their costs mitigated.

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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We've been doing this in Vancouver, Canada for 5 weeks now ( http://sparerides.com ). It is great to see another player doing true ridesharing. Lyft actually started with a business model similar to this ( http://zimride.com ) but saw much greater growth with the taxi model so rebranded and pushed that instead. While HOV lanes are a large incentive for drivers, we have seen that many of our drivers here in Vancouver…

What do you mean by "carpooling does not provide an income to the driver"? I honestly wouldn't pick up people without compensation, especially for longer distances. So you just charge riders and the driver gets nothing? I'm curious because I'm planning on starting a similar venture in my home country.

"Compensation" doesn't have to be monetary. Here in DC, for instance, the compensation you get for driving a carpool is being allowed to drive in the high-occupancy-vehicle (HOV) lanes, which are restricted to vehicles carrying 2+ or 3+ occupants, depending on the road. These lanes are less congested than the main part of the highway, so your payment for sharing your ride is access to a faster, less stressful commute than you would have if you drove by yourself.

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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post #114

No driver background checks or vehicle inspections, per the TOS [0]: "The Carpool Platform is operated by Clara Rides, Inc., not Lyft, Inc. Clara Rides, Inc. is not a Transportation Network Company or a transportation service. Clara Rides and Lyft do not conduct criminal background checks on Carpool Drivers, perform vehicle inspections on vehicles used for Carpool Rides, or provide insurance for Carpool Rides." [0] h…

Most people are more concerned about getting somewhere than reading contracts, seeing proof of insurance, etc. -- this based on seeing how commuter sharing systems work in the wild. If you're super concerned, next time you flag down a taxi make sure you make sure they're not a "rogue" cabbie; them being uninsured is the the least of your concerns.

> Most people are more concerned about getting somewhere than reading contracts

Indeed. I'd also add "Getting somewhere cheap..." as a primary incentive for these rides.

I've used Craigslist "ride shares" between MontrealToronto ($30) on a number of occasions. I fully understood the risks I was taking compared to paying 3x as much for a safer train ride ($100).

The vehicle is advertised as being a Mercedes mini-bus [1] with seating for ~8 people but usually only has 6 passengers and plenty of extra space. The driver was usually an immigrant from China who drove the route everyday, so they know the route well and are always very efficient and reliable. Their lack of english-speaking skills was somewhat of a concern but never caused any issues in practice.

I was more concerned about how they managed to survive on what was basically a minimum-wage payout for a full-day of driving. But there is clearly a supply of workers. Plus they made extra money doing deliveries of newspapers between cities.

Paying for an over-packed Megabus for a comparable $30 price was out of the question because it's always full, always noisy, full of extra stops in between, smells halfway through if you're near the back, etc, etc.

Consumers are capable of making economic cost comparisons. You go on Craigslist searching for bottom-of-the-market rides to save money, there's always a certain expectation of added risk. Same goes with Megabus, almost all of the worst bus drivers I've seen are employed by them, but being outside of the 'sharing' economy seems to protect them from similar scrutiny.

[1] http://www.carsberry.com/photogallery/zxn3vt402kfz.jpg

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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post #114

No driver background checks or vehicle inspections, per the TOS [0]: "The Carpool Platform is operated by Clara Rides, Inc., not Lyft, Inc. Clara Rides, Inc. is not a Transportation Network Company or a transportation service. Clara Rides and Lyft do not conduct criminal background checks on Carpool Drivers, perform vehicle inspections on vehicles used for Carpool Rides, or provide insurance for Carpool Rides." [0] h…

Most people are more concerned about getting somewhere than reading contracts, seeing proof of insurance, etc. -- this based on seeing how commuter sharing systems work in the wild. If you're super concerned, next time you flag down a taxi make sure you make sure they're not a "rogue" cabbie; them being uninsured is the the least of your concerns.

> make sure they're not a "rogue" cabbie; them being uninsured is the the least of your concerns.

Could you elaborate?

Re: Lyft Carpool: A New Way to Commute

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if it will recommend a regular Lyft driver if there are no carpool matches.

Why don't we just skip these platform tie-ins and make an auction network for rides and deliveries? That way you can see options like dollar & time estimations across multiple available services whenever you need to go somewhere.

Haha I said exactly this in my private slack to my ops network:

Overlay "uber" app where people can submit a bid for flat-fee plus tip % from point A to point B - the idea is that uber drivers could also login to a system to select A-B trips which are bid on

Driver says gimme a bid from a radius of me at point a to a radius of point b - when there is a march they connect

I said that on Feb/26

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