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Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#41

Funny that some of the pharmaceutical research is 60-70% public money yet the results are IPd by the company.

60-70% public money How are you judging the percentage there? Are you including the cost of drugs that don't get approved?

You can read here about the process in the US more:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK50972/

I guess this is different country by country.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#42

Personally, I think civil disobedience is more effective at changing the status quo than e-mail campaigns, although they can help to increase awareness. What I would really like to see is a big institution / university take a stand and build something like Scihub to provide free and unlimited access to all of their own papers, even those that are stuck behind a paywall for "historic" reasons. It would be interesting…

There are a lot of steps a university can take, even without a risk of getting sued:

* Cut 25% of your journal subscriptions to the worst offenders and keep cutting every year with some smaller percent.

* Publicly recommend to all scientific boards that the hiring process should judge applicants by the merit of their publications, not by their journal's ranking.

* Promote open-access submissions by your researchers: a small monetary bonus would probably suffice.

* Lobby your government to drop funding allocation based on journal rankings. Instead, promote some sort of combination of citation count [1] and expert consensus.

[1]: I realize currently the citation count is correlated with journal ranking (because the impact factor is computed by an average citation count) but it does not mean it is a bad measure. Plus of course, a comment on HN should not be the right place to design a really fair publication metric.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#43

Personally, I think civil disobedience is more effective at changing the status quo than e-mail campaigns, although they can help to increase awareness. What I would really like to see is a big institution / university take a stand and build something like Scihub to provide free and unlimited access to all of their own papers, even those that are stuck behind a paywall for "historic" reasons. It would be interesting…

> civil disobedience is more effective at changing the status quo than e-mail campaigns

Email campaigns and signing petitions is much easier to do as people don't need to get up off their assess but still get to feel like they've helped.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#44
I always thought it was weird that it wasn't always publicly available. I'm ok with allocating taxdollars to funding new research, but I think that if my taxdollars go to something, I should have access to it.

I can see where there should be exceptions like in cases of national security or maybe if minors are involved, but otherwise I think public stuff should actually be public.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#45

If researchers would stop voluntarily sending their papers to private, for-profit journals then this wouldn't be an issue.

If employers and funding agencies would stop using publications in private, for-profit journals to evaluate whether researchers should get to keep their job or have their grants renewed, then this wouldn't be an issue.

And if experts would stop reviewing articles for free...

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#46

Personally, I think civil disobedience is more effective at changing the status quo than e-mail campaigns, although they can help to increase awareness. What I would really like to see is a big institution / university take a stand and build something like Scihub to provide free and unlimited access to all of their own papers, even those that are stuck behind a paywall for "historic" reasons. It would be interesting…

Honestly given that sci hub exist and is so simple to use, why not just have the universitites promote the shit out of it?

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still exist because companies lobby to keep them alive. I don't hate the player I simply observe how the game is played.

True. Point is I think the government should be the focus here, not the players who take advantage of the rules they create.

I think both should be at the focus as they are often two pieces of the same part.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#48

If researchers would stop voluntarily sending their papers to private, for-profit journals then this wouldn't be an issue.

If employers and funding agencies would stop using publications in private, for-profit journals to evaluate whether researchers should get to keep their job or have their grants renewed, then this wouldn't be an issue.

That sounds doable, actually. Have the NSF only base their grants on publications in open access journals.

Re: Publicly Funded Research Should Be Publicly Available

#49

If researchers would stop voluntarily sending their papers to private, for-profit journals then this wouldn't be an issue.

If employers and funding agencies would stop using publications in private, for-profit journals to evaluate whether researchers should get to keep their job or have their grants renewed, then this wouldn't be an issue.

This is a good point, but it actually goes further up the chain. The universities in UK, a lot of their funding is driven from publication record of their staff. So they too are just responding to incentives - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Excellence_Framework
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