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If they actually succeed at that, it's gonna be a laughing season. Every time a company does something and becomes widely successful, their methods are then recommended on business trainings, startup conferences, etc. So if IFTTT actually manages to subdue many services this way, you can expect other startups to think they can build business out of a) hooking up to your service without your knowledge, and b) telling…
Isn't that the Yelp business model? They're notorious for calling up businesses (mainly restaurants) and then offering the business a way to pay to remove negative comments on Yelp (there was a case where some were entered by a Yelp employee!) It's essentially the "protection/promotion" model.
My Heroic and Lazy Stand Against IFTTT
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#62> 11. Compatibility. Each Licensee Channel must maintain 100% compatibility with the Developer Tool and the Service including changes provided to you by IFTTT, which shall be implemented in each Channel promptly thereafter. > 17.This Agreement is personal to Licensee and may not be assigned or transferred for any reason [...]. IFTTT expressly reserves the right to assign this Agreement and to delegate any of its obli…
I'm surprised that a majority must have signed already, for them to actually make the switch. Hopefully this costs them a lot of buisiness and they have to revert.
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#63I'd spend money on a Yahoo Pipes + IFTTT solution with some kind of guarantee they're not going to vanish overnight. You know, like a Pinboard.in style company. I think we need to clone Maciej.
What we need is a common interchange protocol, not a specific service.
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#64I have to admit I use IFTTT to take an RSS feed from our kid's elementary school and post the entries to a Facebook Fan Page. The idea being to avoid having to teach my wife to use an RSS reader, now she (and another hundred or so people) get the school news without leaving Facebook. I feel conflicted in some ways but pragmatism wins. Anyone know a non-IFTTT way to set this up?
If you're a self respecting programmer you should write the 10 line script your self.
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#65I have to admit I use IFTTT to take an RSS feed from our kid's elementary school and post the entries to a Facebook Fan Page. The idea being to avoid having to teach my wife to use an RSS reader, now she (and another hundred or so people) get the school news without leaving Facebook. I feel conflicted in some ways but pragmatism wins. Anyone know a non-IFTTT way to set this up?
https://zapier.com/zapbook/zaps/39/share-new-blog-posts-to-y...
I offer no personal endorsement, and have no idea whether it would work for you.
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#66For example, the bit about owning content. Do they really want your content? Is content on the internet worth anything these days? If your content is worth something, it's likely the Google ranking which gives it value rather than the content itself.
I imagine that's just an attempt to keep people from suing over reproducing content to go over the pipes.
PEDRAGOSA V. GOOGLE SPAIN, S.L. - Google got sued for reproducing content in various ways in search results. The case went in Google's favor but the legal costs for this sort of thing is probably a killer for services which don't have that GOOG ticker symbol.
The "no competition" bit seems like it's meant to keep people from using IFTTT developer tools as part of their own competing service.
Why bother reading the legal stuff? It likely won't ever come up to affect you. There is some risk, but the opportunity cost of taking the time to go through it is probably greater. I imagine most of the world population doesn't have the comprehension ability to understand what they are reading anyways. You might as well just stop using the internet rather than trying to make sense of the legal stuff.
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#67We really do need some standard unicode glyphs for 'mic drop' and 'awed silence'.
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#68I hadn't seen Botize before. In structure and capabilities, it looks a lot more promising to me than either IFTTT or Zapier (for instance, it supports maintaining lists and adding/selecting data from them), except that half the site seems to be localized to Spanish and doesn't seem to have an option anywhere to change the site language.
I think it's just some fellow in Spain who's about to have a really busy week.
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#69https://blog.pinboard.in/2014/11/new_pricing_policy/ - "Should I be worried? -> Only in the broadest, existential sense."
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#70Isn't much of the legal stuff just a way to cover their tails? For example, the bit about owning content. Do they really want your content? Is content on the internet worth anything these days? If your content is worth something, it's likely the Google ranking which gives it value rather than the content itself. I imagine that's just an attempt to keep people from suing over reproducing content to go over the pipes.…
Sure, but most of it puts your tail on the line instead. They've decided that they somehow have enough power to make you do their job, and make sure you do it in a way that protects their legal interests over yours. You'd be a fool to agree to it.
> Do they really want your content?
Yes. Their lawyer told them that it was a good idea to make sure their license agreement gave them (and I quote) all right, title, and interest (section 3) to any materials displayed or performed on the Service (definition of "Content" in section 1). They thought it was a good idea to follow said lawyers advice, because it was easier for them if they could just do whatever they wanted with your content. So, yes, they want it. That's probably not because they want to run off with it, but because it's easier (for them) that way and they don't care about you. It's much easier for a business to evolve and grow when they know that they can just do whatever they feel like and don't have to stick within the narrow terms of an existing agreement. Open "give me all your stuff" agreements are much simpler to use.
> Why bother reading the legal stuff?
Because they could be bothered writing it, so they obviously think it's important. And it gives them all the rights that they could possibly want for nothing in return.
If it's not important, then it didn't need to exist in the first place. If it needs to exist, then it's worth reading.
We're not talking about a simple end-user here, this is Maciej's company and full time job, and IFTTT seems to want to use this license for B2B integrations. Crazy!