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The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by atemerev »

jessaustin wrote: post #124
atemerev wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK then. In Nigeria, incarceration rate per 100,000 people is 30. In Mexico, 196. In Brazil, 193. In the US, 737.

I don't disagree with you, but my comment addressed 'ljf's question about violence, directly above it. This myth that USA should exactly resemble a tiny homogeneous European nation has been encouraged by the prison-LEO-judicial-industrial complex in order to argue for ever more draconian punishments: "We're not like Holland yet, so let's lock up 100,000 more minorities!"

(And, to be more like Netherlands, the US probably need to lock up less people, not more).

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by mirimir »

tyingq wrote: post #128
burfog wrote: post #127

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The court system is also badly clogged. The "three strikes" laws reduce the problem by limiting how many times a person can go to trial.

You don't think 3 strikes would increase the number of jury trials vs plea deals? http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/23/us/3-strikes-law-in-califo...

Plea deals are evil. It's fundamentally class-based. Or about money, which is what stands for class in the US. With no money for competent representation, accepting a plea deal is your best option. Many lives get ruined out of that.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by tyingq »

mirimir wrote: post #132
tyingq wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think 3 strikes would increase the number of jury trials vs plea deals? http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/23/us/3-strikes-law-in-califo...

Plea deals are evil. It's fundamentally class-based. Or about money, which is what stands for class in the US. With no money for competent representation, accepting a plea deal is your best option. Many lives get ruined out of that.

True, but not really in context. I mentioned them only because the claim is that three-strikes somehow streamlined the court system.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by sokoloff »

oh_sigh wrote: post #88
aristidb wrote: post #82

One quote stuck with me: “But it’s a tough place to do time. People that say cons have it easy, they ain’t never been in Menard.” Not an American, but between saying that cons have it easy and the fact of mass incarceration in the first place, it seems that there's a certain mercilessness in American culture.

Who exactly says cons have it easy? I've never heard that one before.

I've definitely heard complaints along the lines of, "those prisoners get 3 squares [meals] a day; that's better than what a lot of people outside get..."

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by EliRivers »

trhway wrote: post #126
EliRivers wrote: post #85

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Some animals kill far more than they need to for food. They kill one, and instead of eating it or leaving with it, kill many more and then just leave the fresh kills behind. That's not for food, and it's not for self-defence.

and just naming such an animal would advance this debate a great length ...

Foxes.

I think you could have looked that up yourself, but you're not here for answers. You've already made your mind up.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by EliRivers »

trhway wrote: post #125
nommm-nommm wrote: post #107

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Cats kill for fun.

>Cats kill for fun. urban legend (the same type of BS like cats decimating bird population in Golden Gate park when it is mostly people who gather the eggs, and sometimes rats who proliferate when cats population is actively controlled). Instead of eating prey himself, a cat may bring prey back into the den/house for the rest of the pack/pride (which in case of a house cat may be the humans living with the cat instea…

Cats leave behind about half of what they kill. They don't eat it. It's not self-defence.

http://www.kittycams.uga.edu/research.html

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by nommm-nommm »

trhway wrote: post #125
nommm-nommm wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cats kill for fun.

>Cats kill for fun. urban legend (the same type of BS like cats decimating bird population in Golden Gate park when it is mostly people who gather the eggs, and sometimes rats who proliferate when cats population is actively controlled). Instead of eating prey himself, a cat may bring prey back into the den/house for the rest of the pack/pride (which in case of a house cat may be the humans living with the cat instea…

>Btw, know any animal who developed cannibalism?

http://www.wired.com/2015/01/animal-cannibalism/

Do cats bring home prey as gifts? Yes. However, kitty cams have shown they also often kill and leave their prey.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by abalashov »

coldcode wrote: post #99
Nutmog wrote: post #26

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It's fair for taxpayers to pay for it because they're also the voters who voted for the system. Most people actually want more horrible prisons, they want solitary confinement, they want prisoners to kill each other, they want long sentences. That's why it happens. So isn't it quite reasonable to push the cost back onto those people when they get sued?

If this is true we should simply be killing them until the population is reasonable. I find it hard to imagine people supporting such a horror. Then again in Soviet Russia no one objected to mass killing of people in Siberian prisons either. /s

Then again in Soviet Russia no one objected to mass killing of people in Siberian prisons either.

Soviet Russian here -- that's just ... false.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Post by gcb0 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #49
gcb0 wrote: post #46

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then you get a interesting, new, prisoner dilemma puzzle. if you are the leader of a big gang, and still have power on the people outside, you can make enough gang-newcomers go to jail until you are free.

Thousands of them? And they'd all have to get longer sentences than you? Not going to work.

the boss usually gets nabbed by things like tax evasion, so easy to get then on top of the list.
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