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Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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I majored in circuits because back then that's where the money and talent went in Silicon valley. Many of my classmates have since switched to software. The few remaining IC and fab people make pennies compare to the programmers. They also have PhDs to our BS and Master degrees.

Software seems more robust but I don't trust myself to make predictions.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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Silicon Valley people are assholes.

Who the fuck cares about Android and Apple, and all that jazz and drama when they just offshore all the jobs? Or when they just import workers even when they knew there was problems several decades ago? Also why India and China when the US doesn't even have an alliance with them, you guys put our job security in their hands?

You guys suck. Silicon Valley can burn.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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> “All of us in business,” Mr. Grove wrote, “have a responsibility to maintain the industrial base on which we depend and the society whose adaptability — and stability — we may have taken for granted.”

Thats the money quote to me, and so much of what is overlooked when talking about industry and to a large extent, social welfare programs. I wish the overton window included the concept of the costs required to maintain a useful, stable society.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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I majored in circuits because back then that's where the money and talent went in Silicon valley. Many of my classmates have since switched to software. The few remaining IC and fab people make pennies compare to the programmers. They also have PhDs to our BS and Master degrees. Software seems more robust but I don't trust myself to make predictions.

I'm starting a PhD in circuit design this Fall. What I've read and noticed is that there will be a shortage in strong hardware researchers in a few years due to the rising popularity of AI and ML. What do you think about this?

However I also have working experience in software dev, just in case this prediction doesn't pan out in the long run.

I'm actually going to work on a small business idea (likely SaaS) before my PhD starts, with the aim of scoring a modest source of income.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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I majored in circuits because back then that's where the money and talent went in Silicon valley. Many of my classmates have since switched to software. The few remaining IC and fab people make pennies compare to the programmers. They also have PhDs to our BS and Master degrees. Software seems more robust but I don't trust myself to make predictions.

I'm starting a PhD in circuit design this Fall. What I've read and noticed is that there will be a shortage in strong hardware researchers in a few years due to the rising popularity of AI and ML. What do you think about this? However I also have working experience in software dev, just in case this prediction doesn't pan out in the long run. I'm actually going to work on a small business idea (likely SaaS) before my…

The demand for AI and ML is increasing faster than the number of qualified graduates and workers. This is not true for semiconductors.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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I majored in circuits because back then that's where the money and talent went in Silicon valley. Many of my classmates have since switched to software. The few remaining IC and fab people make pennies compare to the programmers. They also have PhDs to our BS and Master degrees. Software seems more robust but I don't trust myself to make predictions.

I'm starting a PhD in circuit design this Fall. What I've read and noticed is that there will be a shortage in strong hardware researchers in a few years due to the rising popularity of AI and ML. What do you think about this? However I also have working experience in software dev, just in case this prediction doesn't pan out in the long run. I'm actually going to work on a small business idea (likely SaaS) before my…

My advice is to find something you enjoy doing, rather than what you think is marketable. You might guess incorrectly and have neither money or job satisfaction. But, don't stress too much about choosing a path. Your career will evolve over the years.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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No one cares. People with capital looking to make profit see employees as interchangeable machines and as a cost center. They don't want to pay for training, i.e. 2 years experience for a junior position. They don't even want to employ people, i.e. contract work forever. They don't care if there is a loss of skills in the local market, they only care about what they have to pay now to get where they are going in the next 6-12 months. After that is anyone's guess. Don't expect them to do anything but increase their own well-being at the cost of everyone else.

Re: Andy Grove’s Warning to Silicon Valley

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> "There was room for improvement, he argued, for what he called “job-centric” economics and politics. In a job-centric system, job creation would be the nation’s No. 1 objective, with the government setting priorities and arraying the forces necessary to achieve the goal, and with businesses operating not only in their immediate profit interest but also in the interests of “employees, and employees yet to be hired.”"

Although a valid concern putting "job creation" as a goal for governments can (and in a lot of occurrences in recent history, did) backfire spectacularly.

In the most reductive analogy it creates incentive for the government to create "hole diggers" and "hole fillers" type of jobs that, in aggregate, generate very few useful work while fulfilling this basic goal of job creation.

I believe this "job creation as priority" approach is inferior to both the "laissez-faire" capitalist alternative and the "basic income" social democratic one.

As an example of its dangers it suffices to see the kafkaesque process of fund allocation (and sourcing) for the public funded aerospace industry, both the military procurement (fighter jets, bombers) and the civilian NASA one.

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