I like this project. It comes from a good organization fighting for democracy. It will create more interest and activity. The tie-in to political groups that create more fighting than action has me a bit uncomfortable. I like that they start with principles all should have in common. It's very important to come up with clear, basic principles all groups can fight together over against corrupt government. Further, we'll all need to remind them of that as little scuffles break out.
Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
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Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EFF is a liberal lobby. I'm very concerned they are being regarded as the gatekeepers of our freedom, be it online or offline.
Well, if there was a more right-leaning advocacy organization that provided a similar level of lobbying and awareness for all of the digital issues that are important to people like me, I might consider contributing. I donate to the EFF now and will continue to do so. I don't like the mention of groups like Occupy and BLM. Those are anarchist groups and I have no use for them. Coordinating with them will do our side…
During the time of the debate around SOPA or PIPA, I found the Cato Institue particularly useful for two reasons:
1. There are a lot of people who won't read something from an organization with a liberal reputation regardless of the merits of the argument.
2. Their arguments matched up closely with mine. From an economic and game theory perspective I was mostly concerned about the implicit favoring of incumbent market participants, where upstarts wouldn't be able to build a business involving anonymous user-generated content. And, that there would be fewer lively communities and discussions overall with anonymous contributors.
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#33"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…
You won't get freedom of expression from today's American colleges. Today's American college kids aren't the idealists they were back in the day. These new breeds are much more vicious and cut-throat.
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#34"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…
I think what tptacek is saying here, in paraphrase, is: "Hacker News is not the place to discuss potentially polemic content in posted news items. Read and move along, citizen."
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#35Here's some other ways to support: To donate: https://supporters.eff.org/donate/button To Learn: https://www.youtube.com/user/EFForg To call your representatives: http://TryVoices.com
"There is no reason why digital rights cannot triumph as often as gun rights. The triumph of anything is a matter of organization. If there are such things as digital rights activists, I hope that they are organized along the lines of the NRA." – Kurt Vonnegut, mutatis mutandis
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#36Is there anywhere that an individual could get more involved with these five principles and the EFF? Maybe like a slack group to discuss and promote encryption and privacy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy might be worth a look
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#37"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…
I was fully expecting someone in HN to get very upset about Black Lives Matter. I don't know much about them, but judging from their Wikipedia entry, as a whole the movement seems to be doing much more good than harm. It's also a pretty diverse group, and some have used the BLM monicker while being denounced by other members of BLM. So don't paint them all with the same brush. It's like saying that you're against Joh…
Any movement that focuses on one section of society (KKK, feminism) inevitably drives intolerance. Just ask Matt Taylor who was crucified by feminists for wearing a shirt designed by a woman. It is one of many examples that highlights why BLM and feminism are flawed in the same way.
EFA should only promote groups who represent everyone equally. You wouldn't accept the KKK, why accept others who encourage equivalent prejudices.
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EFF is a liberal lobby. I'm very concerned they are being regarded as the gatekeepers of our freedom, be it online or offline.
Well, if there was a more right-leaning advocacy organization that provided a similar level of lobbying and awareness for all of the digital issues that are important to people like me, I might consider contributing. I donate to the EFF now and will continue to do so. I don't like the mention of groups like Occupy and BLM. Those are anarchist groups and I have no use for them. Coordinating with them will do our side…
I don't like the mention of groups like Occupy and BLM. Those are anarchist groups and I have no use for them
Those groups are the furthest from anarchists groups so I wonder why you would call them that.
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
After having read the talk pages and controversies surrounding a number of politically charged wiki articles, I could not in good faith use them as a source to determine which political groups have a positive or negative influence. I'm starting to think disjoint, disorganized movements like BLM are a bad idea just from an organizational standpoint. It means your message can't be controlled, it means its up to each in…
That's a good point. We should let the elites handle everything because they have our best interests at heart and are much more intelligent than us. We can't trust "regular people" with political discourse.
Possibly trollish sarcasm aside, I didn't say anything about elites, only about organization. It's more important that there's a hierarchy who can say "no, we don't support this person" with the rest of the group's implicit backing when something inevitably goes wrong.
This means that your group is at the mercy of a figurehead, but that figurehead may or may not ruin the group. Leaving it up to the whims of your membership tends that probability towards 1.
Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? A person can be the flagship of a movement that is so opposed to your point of view as to be dangerous. A radically religious up and coming politician for example. Or, I suppose, Hitler.
Of course, but he was quoting a "list of feminists", which I haven't clicked but I guess contains dozens or even hundreds of individuals, whose lives most likely don't revolve around feminism.
And there are plenty of people whose lives didn't revolve around the KKK either. You would find that most KKK members believed in different treatment based on a person's skin colour, but disagreed with lynching or physical violence.
I argue that any group who focusses on itself is similar. You get some vocal intolerance (see the attack on Matt Taylor for a list of tens of thousands of intolerant feminists). However, what you get from the collective group is a misguided sense of entitlement. Eg. The founder of she++ dislikes gender based groups, so she established one herself! In fact, I'd argue she++ is one of the few gender based groups I know of.
As far as I'm concerned, prejudice is prejudice. BLM focus on black lives only. Feminism focuses on special treatment based on gender. how are either of these things fair or reasonable? Such movements can't help but encourage intolerance (eg. the attack on Matt Taylor). Hence, they should be denounced in the same way we denounce the KKK.