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The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #54

I think this article is missing the idea of the browser hype cycle (Every 4-5 years): 1. A cool new browser comes along promising a minimal featureset with a focus on speed. 2. Early adopters make the move and start asking for a few features they liked on their old browser (extensions, some customization, etc). 3. The new browser is excited by the growth opportunity and invests in said features. 4. Eventually, the ne…

Such a "hype cycle" can only exist where the OS supports integration of 3rd party browsers (desktop only). On mobile devices you can rarely switch browsers without losing access to major parts of the OS (read: 3rd party browsers can render/view web pages, but forget about integration).

Opera works great on android (although I guess it's still largely WebKit based)

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #55

I've always liked this article by one of Stripe's interface designers: https://medium.com/@bdc/chrome-is-the-new-ie-1a21c1efc133#.3... >Chrome is unfortunately contributing to the web’s bad reputation by caring more about developers than end-users. Mobile Safari can easily handle, say, a Photos.app-like interface with a translucent navigation bar, native-like swipe gestures and smooth animations. Chrome handles none…

Pretty much describes the archetypal difference between Apple and Google, end-user experience vs engineers developing for engineers ... and those pesky end-users if we must.

I'm honestly not sure which label applies to which here. Since I find both Safari and Chrome have various feature sets where they are swapping developer vs end user focus.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #54

I think this article is missing the idea of the browser hype cycle (Every 4-5 years): 1. A cool new browser comes along promising a minimal featureset with a focus on speed. 2. Early adopters make the move and start asking for a few features they liked on their old browser (extensions, some customization, etc). 3. The new browser is excited by the growth opportunity and invests in said features. 4. Eventually, the ne…

Such a "hype cycle" can only exist where the OS supports integration of 3rd party browsers (desktop only). On mobile devices you can rarely switch browsers without losing access to major parts of the OS (read: 3rd party browsers can render/view web pages, but forget about integration).

I'm not sure what OS you're referring to here. I mostly have experience with Android, and know that my browser experience is nothing like what you described. Is it really that bad on other OSes?

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

#64

How much of the poor performance discussed in this article is due to Chrome itself, and how much is due to the fact that Android devices tend to have worse single-core performance than iOS devices? Is there a browser for Android based on a recent version of WebKit (not Blink)? If so, that would help answer the question.

It would be interesting to know how Mobile Firefox compares to Mobile Chrome on Android.

Maybe someone here can give us some insight into that.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #61
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a "hype cycle" can only exist where the OS supports integration of 3rd party browsers (desktop only). On mobile devices you can rarely switch browsers without losing access to major parts of the OS (read: 3rd party browsers can render/view web pages, but forget about integration).

Opera works great on android (although I guess it's still largely WebKit based)

Opera on Android is 99.9% Chrome, with a different UI (which I designed together with a colleague when I worked there).

The differences in non-UI code mostly relates to memory usage optimizations - most of them should be upstreamed by now though.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

#66

>Keeping the JS payload below 750kb seems to be the key point for Android, but keeping below 500kb is more ideal. This might explain why many asm.js demos tend to crash Chrome for Android.

To be fair, many asm.js demos freeze my desktop Firefox for a minute or so until it downloads/compiles everything.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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How much of the poor performance discussed in this article is due to Chrome itself, and how much is due to the fact that Android devices tend to have worse single-core performance than iOS devices? Is there a browser for Android based on a recent version of WebKit (not Blink)? If so, that would help answer the question.

Didn't the author address this by talking about testing on both burner and top-line android models vs getting the web app working decently on an iPhone 4S?

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #64

How much of the poor performance discussed in this article is due to Chrome itself, and how much is due to the fact that Android devices tend to have worse single-core performance than iOS devices? Is there a browser for Android based on a recent version of WebKit (not Blink)? If so, that would help answer the question.

It would be interesting to know how Mobile Firefox compares to Mobile Chrome on Android. Maybe someone here can give us some insight into that.

I switched to Firefox on Android for performance reasons a long time ago, but I don't know how well that holds true today.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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I was waiting for someone to come out and say it. 6 months ago, I couldn't imagine using another browser regularly but chrome has become so slow for me, I can't stand it. I switched to Firefox.

Chrome was (probably still is) the only usable browser left on Windows, but I never used it or had to use it ever since I switched to Macs a few years ago. Aside from the plugins ecosystem (which I don't need) Safari works infinitely better (loads faster, uses less resources, even with 100s of tabs, and has nice little features like the Reading List, Reading Mode, Force-Touch Peek and so on) and fits into the OS X lo…

The PaleMoon fork of Firefox is still quite useable.

Re: The Chrome Distortion: how Chrome negatively alters our expectations

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He specifically talks about MOBILE versions of these.

No. He mentioned desktop and mobile.

Read the article more carefully. He mentions the desktop BRIEFLY, but it's not the topic of the article, which is 99% mobile Chrome.
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