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Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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Having an insight into one area of computing doesn't make you an expert in all areas of computing.

It certainly makes some people think they do though.

They can't separate the content from the medium.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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This is sickening-grade bikeshedding. Next time, spare us, and say it to your rubber duck instead.

I hope he doesn't look at HN HTML code.

Looked. So what? There's a difference between "ugly" and "invalid". Both cases are bad but the first one has much more impact on end users.

Edit to answer "how is it invalid": is this not enough? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombina...

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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Back in 2012 when I was sure I wanted to master some dialect of Lisp but wasn't sure which one yet, I read about 80% of Practical Common Lisp before I noped the heck out of there. The whole reason I was drawn to Lisp was for its semantic and syntactic purity, simplicity, and consistency, and out of the three popular Lisps at the time, CL felt like it had these the least. Ultimately I ended up going with Clojure after…

I don't think purity and simplicity are virtues of Common Lisp. It's more of a pragmatic, industrial, old language, meant to unify the competing dialects back in the 1980s.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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This is sickening-grade bikeshedding. Next time, spare us, and say it to your rubber duck instead.

Did you just register to say that? Hilarious. I'd always laughed at "developers" that can't even arrange their own websites properly and still try to educate us about what's acceptable and what is not. Don't know a thing about web design? Use a ready-made blogging platform then, not a school-grade HTML4 style-less nonsense. No one forces you to roll your own solution every single time. But heck, even a simple Bootstr…

This is the website of John Walker, cofounder of Autodesk: https://www.fourmilab.ch/

There are lots of good articles on there, but the site uses frames. Does that detract from the quality of the content? No.

Paul Graham's site: http://www.paulgraham.com/

Has a HTML 4.01 Transitional doctype and uses tables for layouts. Does that detract from the content? No.

Hell, you're on hacker news. It doesn't even define a doctype and also uses tables for layouts.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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This is sickening-grade bikeshedding. Next time, spare us, and say it to your rubber duck instead.

Did you just register to say that? Hilarious. I'd always laughed at "developers" that can't even arrange their own websites properly and still try to educate us about what's acceptable and what is not. Don't know a thing about web design? Use a ready-made blogging platform then, not a school-grade HTML4 style-less nonsense. No one forces you to roll your own solution every single time. But heck, even a simple Bootstr…

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Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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When I opened the page, I honestly thought CSS failed to load. But then I looked at the first line of the page source: I think they really shouldn't tell us what is now an acceptable scripting language if they still consider that design and that doctype acceptable in 2016.

I am not sure if this is a case of what this website calls "composition/division" or "genetic":

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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I feel as though this is at least somewhat relevant: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com

Then surely, so is this http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

They made it washed out with poor contrast and made the lines annoyingly short. Seems like the first site is more readable to me.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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When I opened the page, I honestly thought CSS failed to load. But then I looked at the first line of the page source: I think they really shouldn't tell us what is now an acceptable scripting language if they still consider that design and that doctype acceptable in 2016.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Just because it doesn't use the fanciest and newest version of bootstrap, doesn't mean the site is bad. Sure it uses an old version of HTML but what the heck? It can read it just fine and safari's reader works perfectly – much better then most of the sites that use modern CSS. I'd rather have a site that loads quickly then a site that loads tons of MBs for scripts, big images and fonts (and thus eats up all my mobile bandwidth) just to see a site that breaks safari's reader, and disables zoom so I can barely read it. I'm not saying that all of those fancies sites are like that but a lot are. Especially when they're made by backend engineers who don't know much about UX design. I'd rather get a well made HTML 4 site then a badly made HTML 5 site.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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When I opened the page, I honestly thought CSS failed to load. But then I looked at the first line of the page source: I think they really shouldn't tell us what is now an acceptable scripting language if they still consider that design and that doctype acceptable in 2016.

Looks like it was created with an older version of Scribble: http://docs.racket-lang.org/scribble/

I'm not sure why that would call the contents into question.

Re: Why Lisp is now an acceptable scripting language

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Did you just register to say that? Hilarious. I'd always laughed at "developers" that can't even arrange their own websites properly and still try to educate us about what's acceptable and what is not. Don't know a thing about web design? Use a ready-made blogging platform then, not a school-grade HTML4 style-less nonsense. No one forces you to roll your own solution every single time. But heck, even a simple Bootstr…

This is the website of John Walker, cofounder of Autodesk: https://www.fourmilab.ch/ There are lots of good articles on there, but the site uses frames. Does that detract from the quality of the content? No. Paul Graham's site: http://www.paulgraham.com/ Has a HTML 4.01 Transitional doctype and uses tables for layouts. Does that detract from the content? No. Hell, you're on hacker news. It doesn't even define a docty…

You are obviously trying to do some appeal to authority, which doesn't work on me. No one is an authority for me.

> This is the website of John Walker, cofounder of Autodesk

If he's a cofounder of Autodesk and can't make a decent website himself, how hard would it be to pay someone who can?

> Paul Graham's site

Even worse than the former. Someone, stop that pain, tell him finally how to adjust screen resolution over 640x480!

> Does that detract from the quality of the content?

Yes. It shows the real attitude to the target audience.

> Hell, you're on hacker news. It doesn't even define a doctype and also uses tables for layouts.

Correct, but at least it has some CSS and doesn't look like a hello-from-nineties.

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