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Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by ninjac0der »

jcromartie wrote: post #168
ninjac0der wrote: post #162

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Wonder how many of those still have cable TV. Give me a break. http://www.heritage.org/research/welfare/bg1713.cfm

Of course a conservative policy center will tell me that poor people are wasteful and/or lazy. However, the same Americans that are mostly living paycheck-to-paycheck are also the same Americans that work more hours than a lot of countries with much better situations. It's also not just about what you have... it's about where you can go and how far you are from outright financial ruin. In the US you are probably not…

What do you think this even has to do with my original statement? People are in better situations in other countries because they support more of a welfare/legislative based system? Do you live there? Why not?

"Of course a conservative policy center will tell me that poor people are wasteful and/or lazy."

An excellent way to write off an opinion without consideration. Come back when you have a valid reason to write their numbers off (not that there isn't one, just don't parrot "conservative" or "republican" at me because that puts you in the majority of people who cite the same BS over-generalizations).

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Post by shrikant »

binspace wrote: post #186
ovi256 wrote: post #148

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This is it, government cannot accord him any attention overtly. Therefore, no labeling as terrorist.

His message is actually pretty valid and he has a similar situation to many Americans.

This is why the government doesn't want attention drawn to it.

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Post by pyre »

grandalf wrote: post #190
pyre wrote: post #182

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How many people are breaking the speed limit in an effort to 'coerce the civilian popular and/or US government policy?'

That's not my point, my point is just that the logical structure attributed to the definition is not accurate. The definition does not state that all of the clauses must be satisfied for something to qualify as terrorism, and as I showed above, satisfying a single clause is trivial (and clearly not terrorism).

I think that you should ask a lawyer about that before jumping to those conclusions. This may be some sort of gap between legal-speak and plain English. There are a lot of terms that diverge in meaning between common usage (even 'traditional' definition) and legal definition.

Logic would dictate that the meaning of that is "if A and (B[1] or B[2] or B[3]) and C", but it's not explicitly there.

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Post by wedesoft »

ovi256 wrote: post #153
dmm wrote: post #144

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I would say that is an unlawful and violent act intended to influence a government or civilian population and therefore a terrorist act.

Unauthorized protest ? Unlawful and possibly violent. Definitely trying to influence government and the civilian population. Therefore, terrorist. See how that goes ? The definition is so ambiguous it can be applied to anything.

As far as I know they fined him for pollution or something. He said that he had some clothes and a toothbrush with him because he expected to go to jail for this. But the police set him free on the same day. It would have been different if he had lit the fire on the road though.

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Post by 9oliYQjP »

leelin wrote: post #65
blackguardx wrote: post #16

The Department of Homeland Security released a statement calling this a criminal act, not terrorism. I am confused. A few years ago everything was considered terrorism and now nothing is. This guy wasn't targeting individual people in the IRS, he was targeting the whole establishment. This is akin to the Oklahoma City bombing. If that was a terrorist incident and 9/11 was a terrorist incident, this is too. He even ha…

"Terrorism" became an overloaded term once we coined the term "War on Terror". While this is an act of terrorism for sure, this is not the Terrorism that originates from those we are supposedly fighting in the War on Terror, therefore we should not raise our country's alertness level, have reason to panic, or mobilize our armed forces in response. (my 2 cents)

I tend to agree, but I'm a bit more cynical. These days governments use the word "terrorism" to describe acts against which they would like to retaliate with the backing of their citizens. The term has become a trigger word for prompting a particular reaction from the people. There's nobody to retaliate against here and using the word terrorism in this case would simply water down the trigger effect of the word in the future when the U.S. government wants to prompt a specific response from Americans.

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Post by ninjac0der »

alanstorm wrote: post #183
pyre wrote: post #176

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So which organization was behind the Oklahoma City bombing?

The militia movement in rural parts of the US, which the federal government more or less neutered after the bombing.

Really? On what terms are you privy to this information that the militias were behind the bombing?

... just another casualty to propaganda spreading disinformation.

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Post by danek »

tlb wrote: post #188
markpercival wrote: post #7

The site was pulled down, here's the copy of the rant: If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Need…

If you can't live with the IRS or other parts of the US system, there are 194 other countries out there. Many of them are good places for English speakers to live and work. Vote with your feet, not with violence against helpless government workers.

easy to say, not so easy to do. for an american to legally live and work in another country is not trivial unless you have citizenship in that country. trust me, i would have been out of here years ago if it were less complicated.

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Post by derefr »

javert wrote: post #105
bsaunder wrote: post #61

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And if had my servers hosted there, I might consider moving them.

Why? This isn't the hosting company's fault.

I think, for the most part, free speech is a right people expect to keep after they're dead. If you say something, the government isn't allowed to censor it, even when you're no longer around to stop them. I would want a host that would support that ideal.
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