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The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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The point of solitary confinement is to protect inmates from attacking each other. Putting two attackers into one cell makes the problem even worse.

After the first inmate murder there is no consequence for further murder, you're there for the rest of your life anyway. It doesn't matter if you kill one or twenty cellmates.

For the prison this is probably a boon because their overcrowding problem is "solving itself".

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post #3

It's disgusting that we treat humans like this. A reasonable person can understand perspectives on both sides of many contemporary hot topics, but I see no such leeway here. Isn't it time we stand up and simply fix something which is so clearly broken?

How we should treat the "animal" that kill people then?

All humans are capable of horrific acts. It is a part of our humanity, we are apex predators who organize socially. The evolved algorithm in our brain that manages that dissonance is extremely complex and will necessarily fail at times.

We can't tolerate or condone antisocial behavior, but it is a mistake to feel safe in the thought "we" are better than "them."

We are they, they are we.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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The point of solitary confinement is to protect inmates from attacking each other. Putting two attackers into one cell makes the problem even worse. After the first inmate murder there is no consequence for further murder, you're there for the rest of your life anyway. It doesn't matter if you kill one or twenty cellmates. For the prison this is probably a boon because their overcrowding problem is "solving itself".

Assuming a fixed fee per prisoner-day, for a commercial prison, overcrowding is the boon.

I would also hope a commercial prison would be fined if inmates die while in its care.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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I don't understand why our society thinks its ok to treat people this way just because they've been convicted of a crime. Being removed from society and put in jail IS the punishment. Why does society suddenly see these people as no longer human, trash that can be dealt with any way, packed like sardines, left helpless to be raped and murdered?

Yes, some of these people have done unspeakable things, but they are being punished already. Does society itself need to continue to do unspeakable things to those convicted? Honestly, I thought we were beyond that, but I guess not. Is it any wonder that we accept torture of foreigners now when we've always accepted torture of citizens?

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Mass Incarceration is truly one of those things I can't think too much about or I just feel an unrelenting hopelessness and rage. It seems absolutely diabolical to me that in the United States we have simply taken away the humanity of so many people (with absolutely egregious racial and class disparities) in the name of keeping "us" "safer". Not only is it an absolute failure from a moral perspective, it doesn't work from any pragmatic perspective either. Costs are high, recidivism is shocking, and prisons seem to be designed to absolutely foster the worst parts of the human-animals locked in cages.

I don't think there's an easy answer. From a systemic perspective we are locked into a socio-political ratchet. It is far easier to argue for harsher treatment for "criminals", with zero political downside, than to argue the opposite. As long as prison seems to be something that happens to other people: darker, poorer, less educated, there is an empathic gap that exists that makes it hard for the average schmo just trying to get by with his 60 hours a week of work to care very much.

I can only hope that someday we'll look back on the fact that the United States had the second highest incarceration rate in the entire world as an absolute black mark, right up there with slavery and genocide, or colonialism.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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Mass Incarceration is truly one of those things I can't think too much about or I just feel an unrelenting hopelessness and rage. It seems absolutely diabolical to me that in the United States we have simply taken away the humanity of so many people (with absolutely egregious racial and class disparities) in the name of keeping "us" "safer". Not only is it an absolute failure from a moral perspective, it doesn't work…

By "human-animals" I was not being disparaging. I think all humans are animals, with large parts of the animal-brain still intact. Any animal locked in a tiny cage tends to start exhibiting highly strange and anti-social behaviors that wouldn't be the norm at all outside of captivity.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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post #14

I don't understand why our society thinks its ok to treat people this way just because they've been convicted of a crime. Being removed from society and put in jail IS the punishment. Why does society suddenly see these people as no longer human, trash that can be dealt with any way, packed like sardines, left helpless to be raped and murdered? Yes, some of these people have done unspeakable things, but they are bein…

I agree with this, but arguably jail itself is an unreasonable punishment for many/most crimes, especially under the guise of rehabilitation, which it absolutely isn't designed for. Many countries have figured out how to balance public safety, restitution/punishment, and rehabilitation in ways that are empirically more effective on all fronts than the US good-ole-boy culture of "lock em up and let God sort em out". The Scandinavian countries especially come to mind.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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The point of solitary confinement is to protect inmates from attacking each other. Putting two attackers into one cell makes the problem even worse. After the first inmate murder there is no consequence for further murder, you're there for the rest of your life anyway. It doesn't matter if you kill one or twenty cellmates. For the prison this is probably a boon because their overcrowding problem is "solving itself".

> The point of solitary confinement is to protect inmates from attacking each other.

The point of solitary confinement is to punish troublemaking prisoners.

Re: The Deadly Consequences of Solitary with a Cellmate

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One look at that cell photo in the article and I think I would bash my head into the wall until I was dead. To think about living in those conditions is unimaginable. To do this to another human being, no matter what crime they committed is pure cruelty. I'd like to see the people who voted for these laws spend 10 days in that cell. Absolutely disgusting.
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