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Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

#132
Here's one way to look at it: Given what Western nations have done to their country and region, why should Angolans care about Westerners' intellectual property?

i.e., 'You kidnapped and enslaved our people, colonized our country, financed and supported a brutal civil war that caused over 500,000 deaths - and now you say we should worry about your intellectual property?'

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

#133
post #83

Nice and creative use of a restrictive system. While most people will just use it for piracy, I'm sure a good few will end up contributing to Wikipedia as well. How many of today's hackers got interested in computers through pirated content first?

> Nice and creative use of a restrictive system. That was my first thought, too. Ignoring the legal issues, that is pretty clever.

> If we can't get the internet for free. We'll build our own internet!

Pretty damn clever, for sure! Now Wikipedia is just a network for them!

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#134

Something went wrong because this was posted a day ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11347144 But I'm glad this has got its due notice at last.

From the guidelines: > Are reposts ok? > If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok. In other threads, the mods explained that the dupe detector is weaker than expected on purpose so good stories get a second (and third, ...) chance to get popular. Sometimes the first submission don't get attention by bad luck (wrong time, an…

Thank you for the constructive answers

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already possible, common and expected for people in one country to subvert the laws of another country - for instance, Americans don't think they should be jailed for spreading Holocaust denialism, do they? Why should Germany not have the obvious right to enforce that law on the entire internet? How do you see that case as different to this one? (Aside, of course, from the money Hollywood is prepared to spend on…

The difference that springs immediately to mind is that holocaust denial is an idea, a concept, where movies and games are intellectual products not intended for free exchange. Apples and oranges.

That sounds a lot like "because I agree with one set of laws and not the other".

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's actually happening all over the developing world. Same thing was (is) happening in Romania. The thinking is: why buy it if I can pirate it? Especially when it costs something like 1% of my monthly income (for just 1 MP3) or 20%-1000% (for software). Even the most ethically minded tend to think: who loses if I pirate it? Most of the times these products come from faraway corporations making billions of do…

Intellectual Property pricing schemes do more than make it hard to empathize, they foster active anger. So far we've discussed people in less wealthy eurozone countries choosing between paying a significant portion of their income and pirating. Thats bad, in a way we're describing tools that cost nothing, but are priced in a way that whole economies don't have practical access to them. It gets worse when you consider…

I am from Brazil, when I was young, I pirated HEAVILY, and frequently without being even aware of it, there was legal legit stores selling pirated stuff and even paying taxes for it, maybe unaware too that it was pirated...

For example, I paid what is equivalent today (inflation corrected) 17 USD to get the DEMO copy of Wolfenstein 3D.

And to me, paying 17 USD for the DEMO of Wolfenstein 3D, was the coolest stuff ever, because I could play it in first place!

When I heard of "doom", the "legendary game that is wolfenstein 3D but with green floors that cause damage and bloody monsters", I wanted it badly... All I could find about it was hearsay, no legal copies, even of a demo existed, no pirated copies existed either! The few people that played it was only on someone else computer, they described it to me, and I really wanted to see it, they described a technical marvel, something awesome!

My dad is a engineer, he was hired by Kia Motors to do some contract stuff for them, he found out that the CEO (or president, or some other extremely high level executive, forgot the details, I was just a kid) of Brazil Kia Motors had a imported legal copy of Doom, and Doom2, he mentioned to the guy, and he made a copy for me, 20 floppies.

I took care of them like if they were the most precious things ever, because floppies that I had were easy to corrupt, and Doom, and Doom2 was too priceless to lose, and it took too much work to get it (I ended visiting Kia motors with my dad several times, and helping a bit when I was allowed to, the total effort to get the thing was something like several months of visiting Kia a lot, nagging people, paying attention, helping install steel cable structures...).

And it was worth it, Doom was legendary as I imaginated in my head (even using PC Speaker audio, because a real sound car costed here about 20 times the monthly mininum wage), I wanted to make it too, I wanted to be a programmer able to create my own Doom, I needed to learn C, and whatnot, the game was fun, and working a lot to get that pirated copy was very worth it.

Then I wonder, what would have happened if Doom and Doom2 had some strong DRM that prevented the Kia executive from making a copy for me?

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

#137
> In Cuba, for instance, movies, music, news, and games are traded on USB drives that are smuggled into the country every week.

In another third world country, things are more sophisticated thanks to the wide availability of cheap Android phones. In offices on Friday evenings, everyone swaps movies on SD cards so that they can watch them on the weekend on the phone itself.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

#139

Maybe this is just a detail of Vice's way to sell their articles, but how is providing free services to people who could otherwise not afford them 'colonialism'?

It's not, Vice is just full of edgy hipsters.
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