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Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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The distinction between an "idea" and an "intellectual product" doesn't seem very satisfying.

The distinction is whether the creator wants to profit from it or give it away.

So what if I want to sell a text that is also hate speech?

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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post #95

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That's been Adobe's business model for a long time, and a very clever one at that. Let Photoshop be pirated all over schools and unis, reap the enterprise benefits when the graphics designers who only learned Photoshop are getting hired.

Yep. Creative Cloud subscriber through work right here. Well done, Adobe.

For all the hate Creative Cloud gets, I love it as a hobbyist. I have a subscription for I think $10 or $20/month and even though sure I could save up and have purchased the software one-time outright, but last time I looked at buying a boxed copy in a university bookstore it was somewhere around $700. That's just not possible for someone who only uses photoshop for some of the stuff that GIMP tends to suck at, and only quite rarely

Also, I, like most teens in the early 2000s, had a pirated copy of Photoshop 7.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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I don't disagree with #1 (cf my other comment in the thread regarding Adobe's MO). But you'll get your point across better if you quit the snark, that is all. Re #2: That's the funniest conspiracy theory I've heard all year. But don't take it from me - I edit tvtropes so I'm in on it too. Oops. That was snark. :)

I write snarky comments targeting opinions that express my thinking in a concise and funny (for me at least) way. Then you come and tell me to fix my attitude, directly judging my person. At no point did I judge you or used ad hominems. >But you'll get your point across better if you quit the snark, that is all. I'm not interested in getting my point accross, just in having fun. People have different objectives. Why…

> Why do you want so much to tell me what I should do?

Maybe my objective is to tell you what you should do and you shouldn't judge my objectives? I don't know.

There's assumptions you have to make if you want to have a healthy conversation. For example, the assumption that when someone enters a conversation as an active participant, they're not just here to waste everyone's time. That's essentially trolling.

> correlations

Just because you have "links between TV exposure and bad school grades" doesn't mean "TV shows are made to keep people as uneducated imbeciles". If I told you there's a link between knife usage and missing fingers, would you tell me knives are made to reduce the average amount of fingers?

> a logical fallacy intended to ridicule while avoiding to answer the argument.

If you don't want to be ridiculed and want your points to be answered seriously, maybe you shouldn't be so snarky all the time and hear people out when they tell you to stop.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be an arse to everybody and then expect them to treat you with respect.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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I write snarky comments targeting opinions that express my thinking in a concise and funny (for me at least) way. Then you come and tell me to fix my attitude, directly judging my person. At no point did I judge you or used ad hominems. >But you'll get your point across better if you quit the snark, that is all. I'm not interested in getting my point accross, just in having fun. People have different objectives. Why…

> Why do you want so much to tell me what I should do? Maybe my objective is to tell you what you should do and you shouldn't judge my objectives? I don't know. There's assumptions you have to make if you want to have a healthy conversation. For example, the assumption that when someone enters a conversation as an active participant, they're not just here to waste everyone's time. That's essentially trolling. > corre…

You were the one derailing this thread (insofar there is anything to derail: IP threads on HN are worthless and only good for entertainment).

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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The distinction is whether the creator wants to profit from it or give it away.

So what if I want to sell a text that is also hate speech?

I don't think you'd have many customers, but I'm sure there are at least a few white supremacist periodicals making money in the US.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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"Digital colonialism" is almost as silly a concept as cultural appropriation, which is what the Angolans are doing in a very direct sense.

isn't this what happens when you make something free? people use it to the maximum extent. this is the beauty of pricing. it allows supply to meet demand. imagine if "zero" turned into some reasonable multiple (say, the equivalent of one gigabyte of wikipedia for 1/1000th of an Angolan's annual salary). How many Angolans would chose to pay for this? To continue thinking down this road is to begin thinking along the lines of introductory economics. And interesting things happen. Imagine if Wikipedia were to show that this is a sustainable business model? If one million Angolans were to pay USD$1 for this annually, it would generate (hard math here, I know) a million dollars of revenue. That could do any number of things. Pay for a full-time staffer to work in the Angolan patois of Portuguese perhaps. Or even go to pay for building out basic infrastructure. Or it could serve as the seed funding of an MNVO that would provide greater services, at a reasonable cost, to Angolans. Just a thought.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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It's training users to only use their products, and by the time access becomes cheaper, those products will be able to crowd out any competitors. It also means that any local competitors don't get fair treatment, and will automatically lose to these services provided by the 'colonials'.

Is that an argument that makes any sense in the context of Wikipedia? Where users actually form the content itself, and where access and content are free anyway everywhere?

I think it's harder to argue colonialism for Wikipedia specifically, given that they go out of their way to provide a plethora of sites for as many locales as they can, presented in a way best suited for their locale. Similarly, Wikipedia doesn't strike me as particularly interested in market capture and selling information behind the scenes. But, on the other hand, of the big names, WP seems to be the only site with this approach.

Re: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems with Digital Colonialism

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So what if I want to sell a text that is also hate speech?

I don't think you'd have many customers, but I'm sure there are at least a few white supremacist periodicals making money in the US.

OK, but the point is that we have items that could plausibly fall into either category, not that I plan to start a racist periodical.
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