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Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

#181

I signed up for this. Sadly, it is not what I thought it was and the website does not make it very clear. Basically, this is for online purchases only. To make matters a bit worse, it wants to connect to your real bank account. What we need here is a physical credit card that I can use in the real-world that has a new number on each swipe. Most of my historical fraud has happened because I probably swiped my card at…

If you use Apple Pay then that's exactly what you get. A unique credit card number is generated per transaction and passed to the merchant. Not only is it more secure but it also helps protect your privacy against retailers that use your card number to track your purchases across their brands.

Totally agree. Not all places take Apple Pay and not all places require chip inserts.

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

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Is that something that new? My bank (Itaú, in Brazil) offers this option for some time now. Here(in portuguese): https://www.itau.com.br/cartoes/cartao-virtual/ Or am I missing something? Edit: They launched it in 2002: http://exame2.com.br/mobile/tecnologia/noticias/itau-agora-t... Edit2: Sounds new in the US. This is not supposed to be a bragging/snarky comment. Just genuinely surprised as innovation usually come t…

This has been around in the US for quite a while in various forms, but it seems like it has never really caught on.

I used to make new virtual numbers from Wamu for each online transaction, setting $ and time limits. Only later did I read that those "one-time" numbers could be charged more than once and the expiration dates didn't matter. That's why I skip this extra useless step these days.

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

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In case anyone didn't catch what this actually costs, the answer is: 1.5-2%, which is the rate you could get cash back (or airline miles/etc) with good credit. Because this service draws directly from your bank account, and takes what would otherwise be your rewards from the credit card fees their banking partners charge, it provides a nice business model for them at the cost of you getting 0% rewards back. Not worth…

In the footer it also says its accepted everywhere Visa debit cards are, NOT credit cards. That's a huge caveat because debit cards aren't as universally accepted as credit cards.

You can pretty much universally run a debit card as a credit card. It's the other way around that's expensive.

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

#184

I like this, especially the repudiating of the privacy-hostile billing name/address voodoo. But I'd worry about forgoing the traditional protection of credit card chargebacks, and having to rely on debit card terms and direct ACH.

We make chargebacks just as easy. There's a button you can click next to the transaction that will initiate the dispute process - we'll deposit the funds back in your primary funding account and follow up with you, then resolve with the merchant. You're also covered under Visa's zero liability policy.

Convenience is good, but it isn't exactly the same as having the full might of credit card consumer protection laws.

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debit cards are something we're looking towards in the near term, credit cards probably will have to be a premium feature (due to how we make money right now). The numbers can be one-time use (burners) or re-usable at the same merchant.

I've never understood why virtual numbers can't be used across different merchants. Why is this? Are there any that do offer this capability?

Doesn't that go against the whole point of this?

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

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Hey HN - Privacy.com co-founder here. I'm really excited to share what we've been working on for the past year and a half or so. We've been neck-deep in payments stuff on the card issuing side (getting a BIN sponsor, ACH origination, etc), so happy to answer any questions on that front as well. P.S. For new users, your first $5 donation to watsi.org is on us :)

>Privacy.com co-founder here Tell me about AVS please. Existing virtual card services have me covered on the virtual card front - both cost and (limited) privacy. I want something that gets me past the virtual card + AVS issue. All the virtual card providers seem to suck on this front...

Do you want your address actually verified or a feature that makes AVS useless?

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

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Hey HN - Privacy.com co-founder here. I'm really excited to share what we've been working on for the past year and a half or so. We've been neck-deep in payments stuff on the card issuing side (getting a BIN sponsor, ACH origination, etc), so happy to answer any questions on that front as well. P.S. For new users, your first $5 donation to watsi.org is on us :)

How much did you guys pay for that domain? :)

Also interested in this - you have an amazing domain name.

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

#188
the issues I have with this are:

1) only for online purchases and limited use case- how many times do I make a purchase online that's not on Amazon, or where I'm not using PayPal?

2) new chip cards already do this for in store purchases

3) loss of travel/reward points

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

#189
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Good to hear! Bring this to Europe and I can see it being very popular, credit cards aren't as common or easy to get here and ordering outside of your local country often requires one. I imagine that's still a long way away though :).

Credit cards are hard to get in Europe? If you are talking about cards with credit line, sure, but debit/prepaid cards are pretty easy to get (e.g. Number26, Monese, Revolut, Fidor etc).

How about virtual one-use ones?

Re: Privacy – Forget Your Credit Card

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Hey HN - Privacy.com co-founder here. I'm really excited to share what we've been working on for the past year and a half or so. We've been neck-deep in payments stuff on the card issuing side (getting a BIN sponsor, ACH origination, etc), so happy to answer any questions on that front as well. P.S. For new users, your first $5 donation to watsi.org is on us :)

>Privacy.com co-founder here Tell me about AVS please. Existing virtual card services have me covered on the virtual card front - both cost and (limited) privacy. I want something that gets me past the virtual card + AVS issue. All the virtual card providers seem to suck on this front...

No card issuer is going to verify a transaction of any significant value without AVS. AVS dropped fraud rates on card-not-present transactions dramatically, and it'd skyrocket without it.
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