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As a Java developer, I am a bit jealous. When people joke about us we usually only get a link to the Spring documentation of AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean (or maybe the enterprise hello world), but no one ever wrote that as a service. Maybe someone can do that? https://abstractsingletonproxyfactorybean.io seems to be available!
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Even the Java ecosystem managed to get their crap together and make the excellent Apache Commons library collection to deal with a similar situation (anaemic to useless standard library). C++ has STL and Boost. Only the PHP and JS communities seem to think that not having a solidly designed "base" library is fine (and even PHP seems to be getting better at it with 7).
The Java standard library is anemic? As in Java SE? That's rich. Java SE is an everything but the kitchen sink standard library, with functionality like collection classes, local and networking IO, windowing toolkits (more than one), database connectivity, the list goes on. There is no language with a less anemic standard library, and Java SE is often criticized for being too large.
PHP would like to see you out back in the alleyway, as some other posters in this thread have pointed out.
> Java SE is an everything but the kitchen sink standard library, with functionality like collection classes, local and networking IO, windowing toolkits (more than one), database connectivity, the list goes on.
Yes. However, there are a lot of design decisions held onto because of backwards compatibility that continue to cause massive pain points. Object.toString() comes to mind. The fact that String.format() has to be either statically imported or typed out every time. I'm so sick of lengthy string concatenation in Java.
"When I use format " + createSentenceStringFromList(work.getCoworkers(), "and") + " act like I've committed " + A_HORRENDOUS + " crime."
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If you do that, won't you have to increment your version number? Because with npm, except for left-pad due to oddities of the npm-specific ^ semver operator, you always have to increment your version and you can always pin earlier versions. That said, the ^ sevmer operator would probably upgrade to your sabotaged version if you went from 1.2.3 to 1.2.4, and people would have to figure out what the other operators mea…
Node has a history of kicking out a new release virtually every week, often with crazy breaking changes. Quite sensibly the Debian packagers decided not to try to keep up with that game. There is an easy-to-add on repo if you really want it, although Typescript works just fine in the packaged version so I haven't. Not sure what your point is on postgres, since 9.4 is right there in the repo.
Node moves fast, sure. I'm not sure I agree with your "crazy breaking" modifier there: I regularly do dev work against the latest 5.x branch of node, and rarely if ever have to worry about breaking changes. Then again, I'm just doing plain old restful api and business logic stuff, so maybe if you're dealing with the c++ interface it's a different environment.
Even still, I think it's easy enough to see from our disagreement over "too fast" and "quite sensibly" that there's plenty of ways to be a programmer. Rapid improvement can be kind of exhausting (especially if you get behind) but it's also a great way to see new ideas emerging. One of the things I actually love about the javascript world is how quickly things move. Things evolve very quickly because there's so much churn, speedy releases, pressure for mindshare, and so on. It's fascinating, both technologically and sociologically.
It ought to be pretty straightforward to say "apt-get install nodejs-5.3" and have that Just Work, but by the time the curators get around to updating their packages, you may well be a month or three behind. (again, unless you've updated your sources.list.d to include the nodesource repo).
So yeah: curated package managers have a place in the world for sure. But the trade-off here is that you're not getting the Latest and Greatest. Joyent tried to Slow Things Down with the 0.10 branch of node, and you see where that got them.
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2 micro-services should suffice for all computation: $ curl 'https://api.S.io/?x=x&y=y&z=z' {"S":"x z (y z)"} $ curl 'https://api.K.io/?x=x&y=y' {"K":"x"}
...now theres an idea for a new language.... slightly verbose tho....
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I'm pretty sure that attitude is called "paternalism". Self-regulation works better when it's self-directed, as opposed to other-directed (as in, someone else doing the regulation). `I shouldn't do ${foo} because people will make fun of me` is a horrible attitude to foist on anyone else, and anyone who tries to propagate that attitude isn't helping the community at all.
'self' here is the wider HN community... hence the 'self' regulation.
The community in question here is much more of a javascript dev community, and we can see the culture clash between them and the java, c, python communities throughout all these left-pad threads. So, I maintain: this is an attempt at other-regulation, namely people who are by-and-large not active parts of the javascript dev community making fun of the punchbag-of-the-week.
I'm just cautious any time someone frames an outright attack (and make no mistake, these are attacks) as "for your own good". It rarely is.
As a very sarcastic person, I highly approve of this. This absolutely reflects my opinion of all this mess. Thank you for making this site so that I don't have to write an opinion piece like everybody else seems to have to. Instead, if asked about the issue, I can just point them at this site. Yes. This isn't constructive, but this mess had so many layers that I really can't point to a single thing and offer a simple…
I don't understand why this community has to have a weekly cycle of bashing different programming communities. Every week there's a new drama thread bashing Java devs, Go devs, Javascript devs etc. The thing that I come to this community for every week is to read about new developments in our industry, if you don't come here for that then what are you coming here for? And wasn't it just a few months ago people were p…
That's what slashdot is/was for.
Here you come to find highly opinionated and more-often-than-not wrong commenters.
As a Java developer, I am a bit jealous. When people joke about us we usually only get a link to the Spring documentation of AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean (or maybe the enterprise hello world), but no one ever wrote that as a service. Maybe someone can do that? https://abstractsingletonproxyfactorybean.io seems to be available!
http://docs.spring.io/autorepo/docs/spring/2.5.x/api/org/spr...
As a Java developer, I am a bit jealous. When people joke about us we usually only get a link to the Spring documentation of AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean (or maybe the enterprise hello world), but no one ever wrote that as a service. Maybe someone can do that? https://abstractsingletonproxyfactorybean.io seems to be available!
Jesus Christ, is that a real thing!? http://docs.spring.io/autorepo/docs/spring/2.5.x/api/org/spr...
Edit: clarify astronauts http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000018.html
I don't understand why this community has to have a weekly cycle of bashing different programming communities. Every week there's a new drama thread bashing Java devs, Go devs, Javascript devs etc. The thing that I come to this community for every week is to read about new developments in our industry, if you don't come here for that then what are you coming here for? And wasn't it just a few months ago people were p…