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Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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I was skeptical of this quote, because for some reason Dan Baum sat on it for twenty years instead of publishing it in his book on the subject. Huffington Post , however, asked him about that: Baum explained to The Huffington Post why he didn’t include the quote in his 1996 book, Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure . “There are no authorial interviews in [ Smoke and Mirrors ] at all; it’s…

Thanks; that's helpful though not entirely convincing. Has anyone asked John Ehrlichman (the person quoted) about it?

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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It's my understanding that nearly everyone who went to jail for Watergate was incredibly angry at Nixon for throwing them under the bus and letting them actually do time. If Nixon was a bigoted racist or just a really bad president, is hard to tell from a guy with a huge ax to grind and waiting 40 years to spill the beans.

There's no question that he was a bigoted racist. The question is whether he created the war on drugs to criminalize black activists and the left.

edit: for example, he was against abortion, but he thought there should be an exception for rape and interracial parentage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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I have trouble taking this at face value. A second hand anecdote from Baum who recalls an in-person interview with Ehrlichman, 20 years after the fact, that already 20 years ago. Keep in mind that Ehrlichman served jail time for his role in Watergate. That doesn't make him all that trustworthy, and it's not unreasonable to think that even being in the inner circle he hated and blamed Nixon. Ever seen a criminal come…

Well, one test would be to look at how the law has been applied since it was instituted. Has the law been used to target mostly leftists and minorities?

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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I was skeptical of this quote, because for some reason Dan Baum sat on it for twenty years instead of publishing it in his book on the subject. Huffington Post , however, asked him about that: Baum explained to The Huffington Post why he didn’t include the quote in his 1996 book, Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure . “There are no authorial interviews in [ Smoke and Mirrors ] at all; it’s…

Thanks; that's helpful though not entirely convincing. Has anyone asked John Ehrlichman (the person quoted) about it?

Ehrlichman died in 1999, so there's no independent verification here.

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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post #4

I have trouble taking this at face value. A second hand anecdote from Baum who recalls an in-person interview with Ehrlichman, 20 years after the fact, that already 20 years ago. Keep in mind that Ehrlichman served jail time for his role in Watergate. That doesn't make him all that trustworthy, and it's not unreasonable to think that even being in the inner circle he hated and blamed Nixon. Ever seen a criminal come…

Well, one test would be to look at how the law has been applied since it was instituted. Has the law been used to target mostly leftists and minorities?

The subsequent application of the law has no bearing on the veracity of the quote as the people who have and are applying the law are in no way bound by anything that Ehrlichman may or may not have said.

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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It's my understanding that nearly everyone who went to jail for Watergate was incredibly angry at Nixon for throwing them under the bus and letting them actually do time. If Nixon was a bigoted racist or just a really bad president, is hard to tell from a guy with a huge ax to grind and waiting 40 years to spill the beans.

Nixon was most certainly a bigot. If you doubt that statement, listen to him confirm it for yourself in this great documentary: "Richard Nixon In His Own Words" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbWataLl9k8) which is comprised of secret recordings he ordered on himself.

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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I thought the war on drugs started in earnest in the 80's and 90's in response to a growing crime wave. My (uneducated) belief was that it was championed by the inner city churches in an effort to clean up their neighborhoods.

see eg: 1969. December 3. President Richard Nixon convenes a gathering of nation’s governors to talk about drug crisis. Says that part of the solution must be treatment and rehabilitation. “When you’re talking about thirteen year olds and fourteen year olds and fifteen year olds, the answer is not more penalties. The answer is information. The answer is understanding,” Nixon says. According to CBS News, Nixon administration is considering reduced penalties for marijuana possession, along with more education, in an effort to convince young people to avoid “experimenting with still stronger drugs.”

http://prisontime.org/2013/08/12/timeline-black-support-for-...

and

Rep. Charles Rangel, a newly-elected Democrat from New York City and a former Federal prosecutor, urges Nixon to do more to fight drugs without waiting for further congressional action, warning that support might soon build for drug legalization. “You do have the power and we implore you to use it as you would if this were a national crisis and I think we’ve reached that,” Rangel insists. Before departing, the Black Caucus presented Nixon with a manifesto of sixty priorities for the African American community. It included the demand that “drug abuse and addiction be declared a major national crisis” and a call to use “all existing resources” to stop the trafficking of drugs. http://prisontime.org/2013/08/12/timeline-black-support-for-...

Re: Nixon advisor: We created the war on drugs to “criminalize” black people and

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post #4

I have trouble taking this at face value. A second hand anecdote from Baum who recalls an in-person interview with Ehrlichman, 20 years after the fact, that already 20 years ago. Keep in mind that Ehrlichman served jail time for his role in Watergate. That doesn't make him all that trustworthy, and it's not unreasonable to think that even being in the inner circle he hated and blamed Nixon. Ever seen a criminal come…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, one test would be to look at how the law has been applied since it was instituted. Has the law been used to target mostly leftists and minorities?

The subsequent application of the law has no bearing on the veracity of the quote as the people who have and are applying the law are in no way bound by anything that Ehrlichman may or may not have said.

The actions of the executive branch of government were at least somewhat bound by what Nixon might or might not have instructed them.
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