Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco • Hacker News Board

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by retr0rocket » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:14 PM UTC

pm24601 wrote: post #208

nkrisc wrote: post #163

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Calling he police on someone waving a handgun around in public is not "snitching," it's doing everyone a favor. That said, this isn't directly related to the story at hand as it is not clear that Mr. Nieto was in fact waving a gun around, but appears to be a convenient story from the police to justify having shot him.

As a white male, I would only call the cops on a white male with a gun. Everyone else I would try to ignore, because I don't want them shot. Anyone remember 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was shot by cops because he had a toy gun? I would never live in Texas where I would be surrounded by white males with guns. At this point, I am more worried by crazy white dudes with a gun than I am by non-whites. Update: I love the fa…

but you are objectively wrong though. death by gun violence with hispanic/black offenders outpaces their white counter parts.

and only someone blindly pushing an agenda would say they would rather live in most areas of chicago/detroit/flint then texas.

to put it in perspective Wyoming is mostly white(92.7%) with a gun ownership rate of 59.7%, the gun murder rate per 100,000 people is a nationwide bottom 10 at 0.9 per 100,000, compare that to basically any other state and you will realize how absurd what you said was.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by rsync » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:16 PM UTC

pm24601 wrote: post #208

nkrisc wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling he police on someone waving a handgun around in public is not "snitching," it's doing everyone a favor. That said, this isn't directly related to the story at hand as it is not clear that Mr. Nieto was in fact waving a gun around, but appears to be a convenient story from the police to justify having shot him.

As a white male, I would only call the cops on a white male with a gun. Everyone else I would try to ignore, because I don't want them shot. Anyone remember 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was shot by cops because he had a toy gun? I would never live in Texas where I would be surrounded by white males with guns. At this point, I am more worried by crazy white dudes with a gun than I am by non-whites. Update: I love the fa…

"Update: I love the fact that I am talking exclusively about my own reactions and getting downvoted; love ya all."

Do not discuss your own downvotes. Don't mention them.

Do not interrupt the discussion to meta-discuss the scoring system.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by lostlogin » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:17 PM UTC

whatok wrote: post #243

tryitnow wrote: post #239

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Nope. Sorry, Evan Snow's recklessness in not getting his dog under control resulted in a innocent person getting shot, and cops whose careers are probably ruined. Snow deserves a big chunk of blame here. It's simple folks: if you're not highly confident that your dog will behave itself For those of you who still harbor sympathy for Snow, do a Google search for people who have been mauled by out of control dogs. Now S…

I'm pretty sure that pointing a device that appeared to be a gun at a group of cops after ignoring their requests for him to put his hands up had a bit more of an impact than the dog in this case.

That he pointed the tazer is very much disputed.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by refurb » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:17 PM UTC

RodericDay wrote: post #95

schumpeter wrote: post #81

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Here, let me help you out... > ...there is no mention whatsoever of Nieto’s long and well-documented battle with mental illness. No mention of Nieto’s “history of aggressive and bizarre behavior and auditory hallucinations,” as described in a letter written by District Attorney George Gascón following his office’s investigation of the shooting. Likewise, no mention of “a clinical history of psychosis exacerbated by h…

The severity of his "long and well-documented battle with mental illness" is: a) Disputed b) Weaponized against him, taking advantage of the fear and misunderstanding people have of mental illness ("he burnt a book! that sounds like he'd pull guns on people!") c) Used to avoid engaging with the racial issue that brought it to the fore

Disputed? He was confined on a 72 hour mental health hold twice. You need to be examined by health professionals for that to happen. I would argue his mental health problems are not disputed at all.

I also love how you said "he burned a book". No, he set a book on fire in his parents home, which they luckily extinguished, then took the ashes and ate them. Even his parents said they were in fear of their own safety.

Jesus, twisting facts knows no ends when it comes to supporting a certain narrative doesn't it?

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by rsync » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:19 PM UTC

massemphasis wrote: post #249

navait wrote: post #103

> Evan Snow, a thirtysomething “user experience design professional”..., who had moved to the neighbourhood about six months earlier (and who has since departed for a more suburban environment) > Snow never seemed to recognise that his out-of-control dog was the aggressor: “So Luna was, I think, looking to move around the benches or behind me to run up happily to get a chip from Mr Nieto. Mr Nieto became further – wh…

San Francisco used to be an awesome place, then all those people moved in from some white-only places and it's pretty much gone down hill. It used to be an awesome, diverse place with strong and creative people... now look at it. It's so sterile and void of originality it is sickening in comparison to what it used to be. Alot of those people imitate the culture and creativity from San Francisco's once diverse populat…

"San Francisco used to be an awesome place, then all those people moved in from some white-only places and it's pretty much gone down hill. It used to be an awesome, diverse place with strong and creative people... now look at it. It's so sterile and void of originality it is sickening in comparison to what it used to be."

I think you would do well (and perhaps be surprised/enlightened) to read about the population and racial makeup of the mission district (as an example) prior to the immediate post-WWII era.

Hint: there were no tacquerias.

Things change. Places evolve.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by lostlogin » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:20 PM UTC

tryitnow wrote: post #239

tptacek wrote: post #113

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This is a person Rebecca Solnit chose to single out, carefully juxtaposing reports of his (incredibly obnoxious) behavior against Nieto's shooting, to which, even by Solnit's account (read carefully), he was not a party . I don't want to get drinks with this character in Solnit's story, either. But I'm not sure we should applaud the tactic of summoning up and focusing outrage on people like this.

Nope. Sorry, Evan Snow's recklessness in not getting his dog under control resulted in a innocent person getting shot, and cops whose careers are probably ruined. Snow deserves a big chunk of blame here. It's simple folks: if you're not highly confident that your dog will behave itself For those of you who still harbor sympathy for Snow, do a Google search for people who have been mauled by out of control dogs. Now S…

I'm not sure I have a lot of sympathy for someone who's career may be ruined for shooting an innocent person in this situation. There is a lot of bs in the police story (staring the victim in the eye when her wore glasses, the tazer being off in photos, the tazer having been fired in later photos etc).

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by williamcotton » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:20 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #180

nkrisc wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling he police on someone waving a handgun around in public is not "snitching," it's doing everyone a favor. That said, this isn't directly related to the story at hand as it is not clear that Mr. Nieto was in fact waving a gun around, but appears to be a convenient story from the police to justify having shot him.

> Calling he police on someone waving a handgun around in public is not "snitching," it's doing everyone a favor. From the perspective of someone who's used to the benefits of calling the cops outweighing the costs. The parent poster gives valuable insight into the thought process learned from the very real places where the cost of calling the cops outweighs the benefits.

The Mission and Bernal are very real places indeed.

I heard a man gunned down by the cops just six months ago on a construction site on my block. Four years ago someone got shot execution style on the sidewalk 10 doors down from my apartment. That same apartment still had three bullets lodged in the walls and ceiling. Two years before that three people got blown away in a pizza restaurant underneath another apartment I was living in. That's five murders within 200 ft of where I was sitting in just 6 years. All of these happened in the Mission and Bernal neighborhoods where I've been living and where Alex Nieto grew up. That's just reality.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

goldbrick wrote: post #220

the-dude wrote: post #211

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You are welcome to visit. edit: this was in reply to 'if you are, you are living in fantasy land'. which OP edited away. lame.

Please provide one piece of evidence that police anywhere are trained to "shoot to disable".

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Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by massemphasis » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:26 PM UTC

rsync wrote: post #255

massemphasis wrote: post #249

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San Francisco used to be an awesome place, then all those people moved in from some white-only places and it's pretty much gone down hill. It used to be an awesome, diverse place with strong and creative people... now look at it. It's so sterile and void of originality it is sickening in comparison to what it used to be. Alot of those people imitate the culture and creativity from San Francisco's once diverse populat…

"San Francisco used to be an awesome place, then all those people moved in from some white-only places and it's pretty much gone down hill. It used to be an awesome, diverse place with strong and creative people... now look at it. It's so sterile and void of originality it is sickening in comparison to what it used to be." I think you would do well (and perhaps be surprised/enlightened) to read about the population a…

Are you confused, since you are confusing "evolution" with gentrification. San Francisco de-evolved.

To undo your over simplification, in terms of evolution San Francisco is over specialized in an evolutionary sense. Can you parse that and understand what that means?

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by whatok » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 4:30 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #253

whatok wrote: post #243

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I'm pretty sure that pointing a device that appeared to be a gun at a group of cops after ignoring their requests for him to put his hands up had a bit more of an impact than the dog in this case.

That he pointed the tazer is very much disputed.

Ok, I'll play along. Unless you believe the cops unholstered his taser and placed it on the ground, chances are it was in his hands. Time taken to raise object that appears to be a gun and shoot someone <= time to unholster and raise weapon to shoot someone. Police need to be proactive in situations like this because being reactive could lead to getting shot.