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Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by wartaxresistor »

mbrubeck wrote: post #12
lliiffee wrote: post #11

I urge everyone not to read this. We should not reward murderers (or attempted murderers) with out attention.

Fortunately - and not surprisingly - it's barely readable anyways. I read most of it and I still don't have a clear picture of what made this guy so mad. [Edit: While I don't agree with lliiffee, I think it's a valid point of view and I wouldn't vote it down. I wavered between wanting to understand this person's state of mind, and not wanting to "reward" him with attention. But even if he were alive I don't think he'…

and yet when a president makes a state of the union address.......

Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by BigZaphod »

mbrubeck wrote: post #12
lliiffee wrote: post #11

I urge everyone not to read this. We should not reward murderers (or attempted murderers) with out attention.

Fortunately - and not surprisingly - it's barely readable anyways. I read most of it and I still don't have a clear picture of what made this guy so mad. [Edit: While I don't agree with lliiffee, I think it's a valid point of view and I wouldn't vote it down. I wavered between wanting to understand this person's state of mind, and not wanting to "reward" him with attention. But even if he were alive I don't think he'…

It sounded to me like he made a lot of really stupid money choices in his life and blamed all his losses on the IRS, the government, and anyone else of "power" that happened to be nearby at the time rather than taking personal responsibility and manning up.

Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by BigZaphod »

tlrobinson wrote: post #15

What are people's thoughts on the hosting company pulling the site so quickly at the request of the FBI? Would they legally be required to? IANAL but I can't think of any reason.

I certainly can't say I know the law in this respect. His rant did include the names of a few people which could possibly be bad for them, but it's too late now - it was posted online, cached by lots of spiders, copied by lots of people... Pulling it down now doesn't seem like it'd much matter.

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Post by smokinn »

blackguardx wrote: post #16

The Department of Homeland Security released a statement calling this a criminal act, not terrorism. I am confused. A few years ago everything was considered terrorism and now nothing is. This guy wasn't targeting individual people in the IRS, he was targeting the whole establishment. This is akin to the Oklahoma City bombing. If that was a terrorist incident and 9/11 was a terrorist incident, this is too. He even ha…

I tend to agree with the cynic in me that says it's because the guy's name was "Joe Stack". Had it been Mohammed something then it would've been terrorism.

Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by Quarrelsome »

lliiffee wrote: post #11

I urge everyone not to read this. We should not reward murderers (or attempted murderers) with out attention.

I disagree, it is information (although poor quality information tbf) about what motivated this guy to do this. The information should be public so people can come to their own conclusions about the event, otherwise the story is one sided.

HOWEVER due to copycats and the general suggestability of the public, organisations who broadcast should think twice before broadcasting this text. This is because it provides a "reward" for people contemplating doing this kind of thing, fifteen minutes of fame. Unfortunately this is exactly what news channels typically fail to do. E.G. High school shootings

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Post by lliiffee »

mbrubeck wrote: post #12
lliiffee wrote: post #11

I urge everyone not to read this. We should not reward murderers (or attempted murderers) with out attention.

Fortunately - and not surprisingly - it's barely readable anyways. I read most of it and I still don't have a clear picture of what made this guy so mad. [Edit: While I don't agree with lliiffee, I think it's a valid point of view and I wouldn't vote it down. I wavered between wanting to understand this person's state of mind, and not wanting to "reward" him with attention. But even if he were alive I don't think he'…

The concern is in setting a precedent that anyone can have a wide hearing of their ideas by killing people, which creates copycats in the future. (We have seen this happen with, e.g., school shootings.)

Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by CoryMathews »

BigZaphod wrote: post #25
tlrobinson wrote: post #15

What are people's thoughts on the hosting company pulling the site so quickly at the request of the FBI? Would they legally be required to? IANAL but I can't think of any reason.

I certainly can't say I know the law in this respect. His rant did include the names of a few people which could possibly be bad for them, but it's too late now - it was posted online, cached by lots of spiders, copied by lots of people... Pulling it down now doesn't seem like it'd much matter.

cnn even has a copy posted on their site.

Re: Anti-IRS Rant of Software Engineer who Today Flew Plane into IRS Building

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Post by natrius »

spudlyo wrote: post #4
natrius wrote: post #2

PDF if the site goes down: http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://celes.niran.org/~ni... The site's been holding up surprisingly well. Not bad, T35 Hosting. EDIT: It looks like it's gone now. Here's the home.htm that was on the site as well: http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://celes.niran.org/~ni...

It helps that it's 33K of static HTML. Looks like it was converted from Word, some interesting metadata: Joe Stack Joe 27 1848 2010-02-16T19:24:00Z 2010-02-18T06:42:00Z

Most static pages still get pulled by hosting providers when faced with that kind of traffic. That might be what happened here, or the authorities could've asked them to pull it.
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