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Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 11:15 PM UTC

vertex-four wrote: post #114

baby wrote: post #106

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I feel like this is missing the point that "gender" in a questionnaire is not asking you what you think you are, but what you really are. There is a scientific definition of the word gender that is being ignored here. And also yeah we could get rid of that kind of questions in "some" questionnaires, but for these kind of mass statistic tools this is interesting for example to see if females are paid less than males.…

> I feel like this is missing the point that "gender" in a questionnaire is not asking you what you think you are, but what you really are. No, in this case it's a combination of what you are (i.e. your gender identity), and what whoever decides on how much they'll pay you thinks you are, mostly. But there's all sorts of variables in there still - a single variable probably isn't wonderful. Is a trans woman usually p…

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Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by paulddraper » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 5:15 AM UTC

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #194

paulddraper wrote: post #191

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Don't be afraid to read the linked articles. > Illusory superiority has been found in individuals' comparisons of themselves with others...in working environments (for example in job performance) > In a survey of faculty at the University of Nebraska...more than 90% rated themselves as above average.

> Don't be afraid to read the linked articles. Oh I did. Those quotes don't actually answer my questions. It "being found" or being found in more than 90% in a single survey doesn't answer my questions at all. Looking for real studies. I looked at some studies but I couldn't find anything about this (at least not in the places I have access to). Surveys without proper controls are almost useless. I'm certainly saying…

I didn't understand that you found the quality or scope of mentioned studies lacking.

Thanks for clarifying.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by mpeg » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 12:59 AM UTC

thisone wrote: post #90

antouank wrote: post #52

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Good shout. And 120k GBP sounds like a lot. Is it supposed to be USD? Or is he converting a contractor's daily rate to a perm's salary?

£120k is a hell of a lot. I've got to assume that's been translated into dollars. Being the internet someone will tell me that "everyone in London with at least 2 years experience makes that, easy", but yeah, that number is high for a country where the Home Office considers £35k to be a fair reflection of skilled salaries.

It's definitely not a normal salary for a developer regardless of experience, even as a mid range manager (say managing a team of 20+) it'd probably be on the higher end.

Most likely a contractor, or adding on other considerations like stock grants; when I was at Salesforce.com they gave the stuff away like candy, so while my base salary wasn't too great the full compensation was good.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by LorenzoLlamas » Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 2:57 PM UTC

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #134

LorenzoLlamas wrote: post #55

As well noted, Glassdoor and other places already do this. Why do software developers feel compelled to constantly "invent" things we already have plenty of. Do something unique, original, or amazing. Stop copying everyone and just putting new UIs and a few extra database fields on stuff and calling it 'innovation'. So tired of the internet and all the noise clogging it up. Once the crash happens, we will have a glut…

> Why do software developers feel compelled to constantly "invent" things we already have plenty of. Do something unique, original, or amazing. You're completely right. I'm glad no one redid MySpace / friendster better. We have plenty of social sites! I'm glad no one redid altavista / Yahoo search. We have too many!!! I'm glad no one tried to make yet another email client after AOL / compuserve. I'm glad no one else…

Well... personally I have to discount your examples of hardware "innovation" since I was talking about software.

But on that note, my iPhone isn't that much better than a Palm Pilot. Let's see... notes, calendar, emails... it's all there. I even had map and nav on my Pilot back then. Granted, Apple Maps, Waze, and Google Maps are better and faster UI, but the basic functionality was there. We just keep improving speed and UI in the hardware world. Stuff like touch screens that actually work are nice - I once owned a touch screen way back in the 1980s (dating myself). Not very useful compared to an iPad.

However, is Google Search that much better than AltaVista? No.

Is Facebook better than MySpace for keeping in touch with friends? Not at all. Facebook is better at monetizing you, and the UI is a bit nicer, but come on, if you want to collate your friends into a web-based "friend's list" and post on a wall/board/timeline, it's all the same. Next FB replacement will be no better.

Email? Surely you are kidding there. There isn't a modern email client worth a penny. Web-based AOL email and Gmail are nearly identical. Some extra filters in Gmail and better UI and JS, but it's the SAME. You send email from point A to point B and people read it. Hey, even attach an image! It worked then, it works now. Same exact underlying technology.

And if anyone had to PAY for Gmail to migrate from AOL, they NEVER would have. So free/freemium has become the expected demands of consumers now (and they are in for a shock).

So, oddly, you have kind of proven my point. All developers are doing is reinventing the wheel. They have no new ideas (mostly). It's only 'hey, how can we take existing product A and make it faster, cooler, shinier?'.

However, try to rethink the whole concept of email - and there is a dozen graveyards filled with a thousand tombstones of developer projects that swore we would 'finally' eliminate email or email overload. No one has done it. Not even the mighty 'give us your personal info' Gmail. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Google shutdown (or charge for) Gmail one day. They did it with Reader and no one saw that coming either.

So, go ahead and keep using your free services that aren't making any money and expecting it all to stay the same.

I'm not questioning that developers will be unemployed in general - of course real industries (like car manufacturing, textiles, POS, etc) need good developers to build and maintain systems. But the web-based side projects (such as the one on this original post) who clog up HN with "Show HN" posts about another database online with a few extra fields and some snazzy UI (or Bootstrap 3!!) are DOA and they don't seem to get it.