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Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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In times of climate change debate I think Apple is doing the wrong thing here, encouraging buy and throw away mentality increasing waste.

You clearly didn't watch the keynote, since a significant part of it was about unprecedented programs to reuse and recycle their hardware.

The phrase "reduce reuse recycle" is actually a pyramid of effectiveness. The best thing is to reduce your consumption entirely, which in this case translates to not producing or buying new hardware you don't need.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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As someone sitting at a nearly 5 year old Macbook Pro, I took the comment as an off hand throwaway. I understand not liking the comment, but this isn't news. A company thinks everyone should be using the latest of their products. Oh no.

That's an odd fact about markets. You have the high rate of progress phase where technological advances almost sell themselves. I didn't have to wonder for long to want a Pentium 200 MMX instead of my Pentium 75. Nowadays it's really tough to convince someone naturally and strongly. They have to push for new 'needs' (4K ?) or allow for crapware and subpar software to trigger the religious reflex newer = better = fast…

4K monitors are a little marginal. 27" is really too small, most people need some DPI enlargement to feel comfortable. The bigger panels increase significantly in price, but I think 32-36" would probably be about right in terms of ppi.

27" 1440P monitors are fantastic though, they strike the perfect balance between resolution, size, and price. If you're used to 22-24" monitors I really encourage you to give it a try, it's very nice for productivity. You can get a cheap Korean VA/IPS monitor for $200 on eBay or a very nice one for $300 or so (the nicer ones have DC backlights which help prevent eyestrain from PWM flickering). Definitely worth it.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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True, but I can also understand how for some time iPad 1 level hardware was just a bit too limiting. Now the bloated upgrades, as I said, did also help forcing users to "want" the new one more. The thing that saddens me is that, business will always do that, it's the survival gene by making profit. On the other hand we could have nice open source, legit good software layers but it just doesn't happen the right way on…

>> Now the bloated upgrades, as I said, did also help forcing users to "want" the new one more. My experience after switching to Android is not that though. Most of the major releases, including the upcoming N, offer performance improvements. Granted, I don't know what that says about the code base, whether it was already so vastly inefficient that they find tons of room for improvements or whatnot, but it's definite…

Google wins when you upgrade Android, Apple wins when you buy a new iDevice. The different priorities shouldn't be surprising at all.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Yup. Clock-for-clock, Skylake is about 10-20% faster than Sandy Bridge, IPC improvements have been 4 GHz, which is extremely reasonable, then it keeps up just fine with a Skylake in most tasks. CPU performance is largely "good enough" for most users. OS bloat has finally stopped: Win8.1 is just as fast as Win7 (and is more stable) and Win10 is faster and skinnier. Most users don't do anything intensive and probably w…

> Yup. Clock-for-clock, Skylake is about 10-20% faster than Sandy Bridge Sorry, can you elaborate on this? Is Skylake somehow performing multiple instructions per core per clock cycle somehow?

Added hardware instructions for common software instruction combinations taking load of the CPU itself and offloading it into a mini-ASIC.

Like AES, Floating point, h.264 etc;

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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It is ironic that Apple is mentioning this as I believe this is going to spell the end of their era of massive profits. Phones now are getting to the state where much like PCs, the older phone is good enough, and the new phone is not substantially better. There will always be people buying a phone for .2ghz more CPU or some slightly higher res screen, but the days of rapid evolution of mobile devices are over, and Ap…

But with new OS versions, older phones quickly start to show their age. An iphone 4 or iphone 4s on the latest version of iOS it supports is really sluggish and slow (and no easy way to put iOS6/7 back on it)

this is by design, though, obviously.

providing "upgrades" to previous models incapable of truly supporting them is kind of an Apple trademark

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

Of course one can interpret things in any way...

What if instead a Mercedes representative had said:

> People with cheap 5 year old cars is sad

Just before presenting its new car?

Would you think the same?

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

Agreed that the "LOL poor people" is probably not the intention however I am sure the internet will have a field day with it. With that in mind it will likely generate some really interesting discussions around the quality and longevity of Apples products.

Imho smart phone tech is plateauing and I get the feeling Apple is going to struggle more and more to justify the prices they charge for iPhones and other products. My iPhone 5 (4/5 years of use) broke 3 weeks ago, and after reviewing prices of phones I just couldn't bring myself to spend 3/4 times the amount on a phone when I can get one "just as good", but Android.

In fact I was chatting to a friend who recently also went from iPhone to Android, something he said that I took to heart was that spending more than R3500 (about $230) on a cellphone is an unnecessary luxury. I am willing to bet that limit could be pushed down too.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

Yes. The irony is that iPhone and iPad are no better as explained in the article(s)[0].

"Based on my experience with Apple hardware newer than my laptop, I’m guessing it’s the former. Since 2011, I’ve bought a couple of iPhones (both dead), numerous connectors and power cords (all dead; I’ve switched to knockoffs), and a replacement laptop battery (currently half-dead and in need of replacement)."

[0] https://www.techinasia.com/awkward-moment-apple-mocked-good-...

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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As someone sitting at a nearly 5 year old Macbook Pro, I took the comment as an off hand throwaway. I understand not liking the comment, but this isn't news. A company thinks everyone should be using the latest of their products. Oh no.

Also, the event was an hour long advertisement. Not a TED Talk or Nobel Prize acceptance speech. An ad.

"The old products suck. Buy our shiny new products!"

If advertising offends you, fine. But don't watch an hour-long ad and then get irritated because they try to sell you shit.

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