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Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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Don't just sit there fuming - do something.

You can contact the school board's directors at capitalcomments@lmsd.org or call (610) 645-1800

If you believe that a criminal act may have been committed, you can contact the Montgomery County District Attorney at KKasopsk@montcopa.org or call (610) 278-3090

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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Given the role that schools have played in destroying the lives of some children by getting authorities involved in "sexting" cases, it would be especially ironic if this spying program produced child pornography charges. After all, in many cases, intent isn't required-- people have been arrested for having malware download child porn without the user's authorization or knowledge. Given that precedent, doing somethin…

> reople have been arrested for having malware download child porn without the user's authorization or knowledge Do you have a citation for that, out of interest. It's considered something of a myth within LE and I wasn't aware a case like that actually existed.

Sadly, I don't have the citation off the top of my head. For all I know, I could've fallen for an urban legend. If I have, sorry for being gullible!

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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Oh, I agree. Just don't think this is a one-off kind of thing.

Indeed. Perhaps (hopefully) any outcome from this will spark off a review of such policies.

What scares me is the kind of review that will likely happen isn't going to be one that emphasizes the rights of schoolchildren, but that emphasizes how schools should modulate their activities to stay within the letter, if not the spirit, of the law. For anything substantial to change would require a fairly fundamental reexamination of the role of the school system in the private lives of students.

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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post #47

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> reople have been arrested for having malware download child porn without the user's authorization or knowledge Do you have a citation for that, out of interest. It's considered something of a myth within LE and I wasn't aware a case like that actually existed.

Sadly, I don't have the citation off the top of my head. For all I know, I could've fallen for an urban legend. If I have, sorry for being gullible!

It's cool - I do believe you. [You'll always get suspicion over that story because it is the #1 most common defence (and ironically easy to disprove)]

I'd always be interested to see if it actually happened though - it would be useful research.

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

#56

Don't just sit there fuming - do something. You can contact the school board's directors at capitalcomments@lmsd.org or call (610) 645-1800 If you believe that a criminal act may have been committed, you can contact the Montgomery County District Attorney at KKasopsk@montcopa.org or call (610) 278-3090

It seems a bit irresponsible to me to encourage people not directly involved to call the authorities over this. Surely they have been made aware, if only by the media. Often times (again, not a lawyer, so I don't know how to nail this down), charges and complaints can only be filed by those directly victimized by a crime. If people followed your suggestion, then the DA's office would soon be flooded with redundant, useless and perhaps counter-productive communications.

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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This was part of a program on PBS called Digital Nation. The show was very interesting, and there's a section where the school IT administrator demonstrates his ability to pull up a students laptop ... and working webcam. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/learni... The relevant part starts at about 4:35. "They don't even realize that we are watching. I always like to mess with them and take a pict…

That's horrible! Also: How the hell did they finance handing out Mac laptops to all their students?

through sale of kiddy porn?

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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Go mow some lawns for a couple weeks... A few hundred dollars isn't all that hard to come by.

This is such a "let them eat cake" attitude. A few hundred dollars is a lot to come by for some people, especially at that age.

I guess that attitude comes from the fact that I've always had to buy my own cake in life. My parents provided me with food, clothing, a place to live, and other "necessities". They never bought me a laptop, a cell phone, a car, or any of the dozens of other things that teenagers seem to feel entitled to these days.

Re: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

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If this violated child pornography laws, we will get the remarkable outcome that a school system is not allowed within 2500 feet of a school. So it's not all bad!

There doesn't appear to be a claim in the complaint regarding any child pornography laws yet. But who knows--that may change if new photos turn up during discovery.

Here's some thoughts on the Fourth Amendment illegal search claim, at least:

There is this 2001 case, Kyllo v. United States, that held it illegal for the police to use a thermal scanner to detect heat lamps in a guy's house (the heat lamps being used to grow marijuana). The Supreme Court held, in an opinion by Justice Scalia:

"Where...the Government uses a device that is not in general public use, to explore details of the home that would previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable without a warrant."

Seems to me this case falls pretty squarely within the Kyllo rule. Maybe webcams are in public use, but a spy program connected to a webcam and operated by someone other than the possessor of the computer would probably not be. The webcam photos were of the inside of a home, and those photos could not have otherwise been taken without going inside the home.

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