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How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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Re: How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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This seems to be a really overcomplicated re-stating of Darwin.

There is no "lower level" at which to explain it: Things that are good at making copies of themselves will tend to be more prolific. Restating Darwin in terms of thermodynamics takes a simple idea and complicates it without adding explanatory power, which makes it a poor theory.

Here is how you "say 'Life' in physics": Life is a pattern which obeys four rules:

- Reproduction: The pattern makes copies of itself. - Inheritance: The copies share traits of the original. - Variation: The copies can be different from the original. - Selection: The success of the pattern making more copies depends on the traits which it inherits.

That's it. A tree is alive. A person is alive. A stone is not alive. A virus is alive.

And an idea is alive. It is a pattern in matter which replicates (I can tell you an idea; now there's one in my head AND your head), it inherits (your idea is similar to mine), it varies (you may reinterpret the idea, or combine it with your own ideas), and it selects (you will spread ideas you think are good, and discard those you think are bad). From this arises technology, or religion. We may, with a twist of the mind, think of either as an organism in its own right living in the habitat of human consciousness. (Perhaps all of our species' success can be attributed to the fact that our brains support a symbiotic form of life which can adapt far, far faster than DNA can).

And so by this definition even a solar panel is alive (and the "problem" of physically differentiating the two evaporates); it is just a stranger form of life that spends part of its existence as the plans for its production, coded in the configuration of matter in its blueprints, computer files, and human brains; and whose life cycle includes a stage where it is physically manifests and makes it self useful to its human hosts by providing them electricity. Its design is copied and mutated; some better at providing power for less effort, and thus more likely to propagate and eventually out-compete weaker designs.

Re: How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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> For instance, there is no English translation for the Japanese wabi-sabi—the idea of finding beauty in imperfection—or for the German waldeinsamkeit, the feeling of being alone in the woods. Writers who proclaim that English has no translation for word x from language y , only to provide a matter-of-fact translation in the very next clause/sentence always make me chuckle. Or they provoke pedantic ire. Depends on ho…

This is the most interesting thing you can find to talk about in this article?

This article describes an absolutely fascinating take on the origin of life. If correct it has profound ramifications for the way we design systems. It's "holy shit" stuff, it's potentially world changing research and the top comment hones in one tiny little detail. It hones in on a tiny insignificant detail of the article. Such toe curling, enraging pedantry. Get a grip. I despair of hacker news.

Re: How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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Can somebody explain what does Wittgenstein have to do with the whole thing?

If anything, the author could have gone into Wittgenstein more, but she did cover a lot of ground... My stab at it: Before Wittgenstein philosophers were obsessed with the factual nature of words and tried mapping everything correctly (logically) with the natural world. Except, they were failing. Wittgenstein came in and basically said language was never designed to represent reality, but rather is what emerges from…

Very nicely put :)

Re: How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never the complicated words. It's the simple words. English doesn't have a translation for German Brot. The English word bread denotes something almost but not entirely unlike Brot.

Wait, I'm German and I use bread whenever I mean Brot. What am I doing wrong?

Compare Google image search: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!i+brot vs https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!i+bread

Have you ever had English bread? See eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorleywood_bread_process

Basically, the two words fray at the connotations. The denotation is the same.

Re: How Do You Say “Life” in Physics?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are no synonyms." [1] Does "apple" in English truly equal "ringo" in Japanese? The context is similar, but the iconic implications and inferences are not an exact match. There is something uniquely American about "apple". Not "ringo", but "apple". Worth naming a company after even. And that's just with a fruit. Can only imagine how asynonymous less concrete terms would be. --- [1] Oddly, I hear this a lot rece…

What is "uniquely American" about the word apple? Both the word and fruit come from elsewhere and still abound in those places: the word came into use in English over a thousand years ago, and the first apple tree to grow in the Americas would have been planted by a European settler some centuries later. There are cultural associations with apples in America, but do these attend to the word or the culture? And are th…

American ex-pat gone native in Wales. Can confirm "apple" means the same thing here.
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