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There's a very interesting thought experiment devised by the human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smitg and outlined at the end of the excellent book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson. Quoting from the book; “Let me ask you three questions,” he said. “And then you’ll see it my way. Question One: What’s the worst thing that you have ever done to someone? It’s okay. You don’t have to confess it out loud. Que…
Can't ignore in all that, the issue of public order. Going soft on bullies (which is what many smash-and-grab criminals may be) means it grows without limit. So establishing public order is not an optional thing.
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Can't ignore in all that, the issue of public order. Going soft on bullies (which is what many smash-and-grab criminals may be) means it grows without limit. So establishing public order is not an optional thing.
You keep saying that prison deters public order offences. It clearly doesn't. I'm curious why you think it does?
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Can't ignore in all that, the issue of public order. Going soft on bullies (which is what many smash-and-grab criminals may be) means it grows without limit. So establishing public order is not an optional thing.
You keep saying that prison deters public order offences. It clearly doesn't. I'm curious why you think it does?
(And what about prison? Where did that come from?_
There's a very interesting thought experiment devised by the human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smitg and outlined at the end of the excellent book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson. Quoting from the book; “Let me ask you three questions,” he said. “And then you’ll see it my way. Question One: What’s the worst thing that you have ever done to someone? It’s okay. You don’t have to confess it out loud. Que…
I agree that cheating usually hurts more than burglary. However, it's not just a question of how harmful it is, but also how many people feel the urge to do it. We can mostly deal with burglary by criminalizing it, but criminalizing cheating would be a disaster akin to the war on drugs.
There's a very interesting thought experiment devised by the human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smitg and outlined at the end of the excellent book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson. Quoting from the book; “Let me ask you three questions,” he said. “And then you’ll see it my way. Question One: What’s the worst thing that you have ever done to someone? It’s okay. You don’t have to confess it out loud. Que…
Lets try this mental exercise, what is the physical damage to me if I get raped? In extreme cases one could get infected with a potentially deadly STD, or if a woman, onr may become pregnant, but in many cases at the physical level, it's not all that different from regular sex between people. The main difference is granting permission to sex, or not granting permission to sex.
That makes all the difference, or most.
So, you see, it's easy to break things down into oblivion, the thing is, this is what, in part, makes is human, why we don't follow the same kind of courtship other animals accept as part of nature. Or why otherwise rationalized behavior is not normally accepted.
Restorative justice won't cut it here.
I of course understand my example is extreme, but I simply want to point out that there is a point where these ideas break down as a solution to unjust sentencing.
In fact, some of these wrongdoers actually are very intelligent, and having them make amends with their intellect could be a just way to perform community service. Anyone able to chime in? I'm not well informed on the different views, so I'd like to gain some insight to this view.
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You keep saying that prison deters public order offences. It clearly doesn't. I'm curious why you think it does?
How can you say it clearly doesn't? Sure it doesn't deter ALL but none?
Or is there other stuff that's stopping you from breaking laws?
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How can you say it clearly doesn't? Sure it doesn't deter ALL but none?
Have you ever chosen not to do something because you want to avoid prison? Or is there other stuff that's stopping you from breaking laws?
There's a very interesting thought experiment devised by the human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smitg and outlined at the end of the excellent book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson. Quoting from the book; “Let me ask you three questions,” he said. “And then you’ll see it my way. Question One: What’s the worst thing that you have ever done to someone? It’s okay. You don’t have to confess it out loud. Que…
I don't think this kind of reductive thinking, if taken into more political and behavioral extreme areas works. Lets try this mental exercise, what is the physical damage to me if I get raped? In extreme cases one could get infected with a potentially deadly STD, or if a woman, onr may become pregnant, but in many cases at the physical level, it's not all that different from regular sex between people. The main diffe…
I don't think the parent was suggesting only physical damage be considered. They discussed several examples of emotional damage.
EDIT: And I'm not really sure why you're calling their post reductive either, it seemed fairly nuanced, and ended with "It's a very deep question. Not something that HN will answer in a thread."