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Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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national socialism is the proper libertarian form of government. First of all, a nation's prime directive is to be sovereign which means it can issue currency debt free interest free based on the credit and good faith of the nation for its people. If a nation cannot do this it should not even be considered a nation but rather a colony or puppet. Once a nation declared itself sovereign under socialism it can issue currency to pay for public works. A national automobile company, national highway system, public housing, taking care of the elderly, research etc. This does not mean private individuals cannot own competing automobile companies, road services or build their own housing development corporations. But these private corporations will specialize in luxury or high quality goods and services. Private corporations will be in a different market, better than standard, specialized, detailed, niche, flair, flavor, fashion, experimental, eccentric, or any market that one can figure that will make more profit from bringing more value than can be made from public employment. The government does not steal from these competing corporations because it does not need to tax since there is no debt from the creation of money. and the money will be worth something because it is directly tied with the output of the public works. People dont get handouts in national socialism. People will have to still work in private industry or public industry but there will always be employment in public works available for those who are able but unable to compete in the highly technical and specialized private sector . The money will be created for the people to create public works for the people. This public infrastructure has value and that is what backs the currency. There is no hyperinflation in this system because money isnt created with no work attached to it. unlike the counterfeit federal reserve system giving currency to corny bankers with no work required in essence theft. Work reeducation camp for jews says. Work will set you free. It is a system of perfect and direct creation of currency to output of public works with no obfuscation or indirection involved. Create Currency -> Public Works Infrastructure and Goods. The nations goods can only be purchased using the national currency and hence a currency exchange established for export sales to foreign markets and hence the national currency has value internationally floated by the value of the nations exports. As the Workers of the public works projects get paid they will spend their money in private shops and circulate the money to the rest of the economy. National Democratic Workers Socialism is being a true Nation with sovereignty. It is the nation possessing the right of Kings which is the right to create a kingdom's currency. A right taken away by the globalist transnational international banker jews. This is the reason the United States revolution was fought for because King George was under hostage to Rothschilds and forced to place unfair taxes on the colonies. This is the reason Abe Lincoln was able to pay and win the CIvil War with his Greenbacks. This is how Hitler was able to get out from under Zionist Hyperinflation genocide and turn Germany from mass starvation genocide to full employment leading in technology, science, health, lifestyle in 6 years with the Riechmark. The Babylon magic money machine will never let you remember your sovereign birthright as a people under national socialism . Under the new world order anarchy they will destroy all nations so no people will have any protection by any nationalism from the international corporation of compartmentalized counterfeit capital communism command and control

Benjamin Fulford talks about a global transition to such a system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BGSoXxOJO4

Bill Still explains all this in the money masters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJGlXEs8nI

How Hitler defied the bankers http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1389

Libya before Hillary's isis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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I support it personally. And I think it should be funded with pollution and waste taxes (all air+water pollution, no myopia on CO2).

This way money taken from people for taxes is funneled right back to them instead of having government decide what to do with it.

The main complication I see is handling taxes for import+export, you'll probably have to refund taxes on exports, and harder, figure out pollution levels for imports.

Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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A rarely discussed benefit to minimum income: The higher the social benefits, then I think the greater the labor market liquidity, for both employers and workers.

Currently everything else depends on your job: Either you have one, and you have income, benefits, and all that goes with them in a society where everything costs money; or you don't and you have nothing (or very little). But if you don't lose you house, still can afford decent healthcare, and your kids still eat and go to college, etc., then employees can be more flexible:

Firings and layoffs are less of a crisis; when everything doesn't depend on having that job then I expect there will be fewer lawsuits. Protections for jobs in law and regulations can be reduced.

Also, workers, especially those with mortgages and kids, would be less desparate to keep their jobs. I think that is a healthy thing; they can take more chances and invest more in training and skill acquisition. Also, they are not compelled to do odious or unethical things (such as working off the clock, tolerating abusive environments, particpating in and/or not reporting illegal activities, etc.) due to a sort of employment extortion. It probably would be better for managers to get more honest feedback too (though some would have to learn ways to motivate people besides abusing them!).

Some of that is speculative but I believe a European country, I think Denmark, worked out a compromise of high and long-term unemployment benefits in return for making workers easy to terminate.

In part it's also a political solution to the concentration of wealth: If you are going to accumulate so much of the wealth due to the way the economy is structured, then in return pay for these social benefits and we all can retain labor market liquidity and maintain political harmony. U.S. workers have less to bargain with: They gave away many of their labor market protections and lost negotiating power by weakening their unions.

Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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While I am a staunch advocate of UBI as a solution to a massive swath of present and emerging problems around the world, I also do not see the experiments around it leading to its mass adoption in at least the span of decades.

Things have to get much worse (and they will) and we will need some active social unrest (on the scale of Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter, except informed about UBI and fighting for it in a unified message) before the wealthy will acknowledge that if they want to stay wealthy, they need a society to be wealthy within, and we won't have one if people are destitute and starving by the millions because traditional capitalist expectations of work and compensation break down in the face of growing automation.

Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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post #5

A rarely discussed benefit to minimum income: The higher the social benefits, then I think the greater the labor market liquidity, for both employers and workers. Currently everything else depends on your job: Either you have one, and you have income, benefits, and all that goes with them in a society where everything costs money; or you don't and you have nothing (or very little). But if you don't lose you house, st…

Giving workers bargaining power in wage and work condition negotiations is only a good thing, absolutely. It should be obviously unfair to the vast majority of people that you bring two people to the table when you apply for a job (in effect, at least) - a capitalist business owner seeking to profit and accumulate wealth through markets, and someone who doesn't want to starve or go homeless. Those kinds of negotiations are anything but fair.

UBI would see a dramatic shift in the valuation of jobs, in the ways employers can treat their employees, and in what work society values having done. I postulate often how I believe a lot of the tremendous flow of working into the advertising and service sectors has been due to the subconscious social desire to avoid the collapse of work, so we produce fictitious work with minimal or no net productive gains or utility to keep people busy. There are millions of white collar workers who wake up every day in fear of their job being replaced with software, and of truckers fearing the inevitable self-driving vehicle revolution on the horizon, because we are not starting on the path towards automation, we have been on it for decades, we have simply subliminally skewing our society to try to compensate for the implication that real productive labor has been moving out of the hands of human beings for a long time now.

Re: Powerful Political Forces Are Aligning Behind Minimum Income

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My prediction for Basic Income is that even if it gets introduced a few years/decades later a lot of people will complain (rightfully or not) about all those parasites not doing anything while "job creators" have to pay for it. At least in the US it won't work long term looking at the current discussions about tax rates.
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