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Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by owenversteeg »

tajen wrote: post #207
sboselli wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm speechless. That's an absolutely terrible idea. Are you guys trying to sends us all back to LinkedIn? Any kind of notification is a dead give away you're looking for another job. I guess this goes to show that AngelList is all about the "Angels" and gives no f*cks about the talent. Shameful and sad. Time to kiss AngelList goodbye.

How many upvotes do you have? I think this number could be interesting either way.

20. You can check because they're a green user, and they have one comment, from their profile.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by DanBC »

owenversteeg wrote: post #211
tajen wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many upvotes do you have? I think this number could be interesting either way.

20. You can check because they're a green user, and they have one comment, from their profile.

I just upvoted them again. That number is still at 20.

I wonder if they're seeing a higher number? Or maybe my upvotes aren't doing anything? (Except I just upvoted you, and that seemed to increase your karma.)

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by cjbprime »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #203
scott_s wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I will apologize" and "please accept our apologies" are ways to distance the speaker from the actual act of apologizing, but are not the act itself. They lessen the pain of actually saying "I'm sorry". I think we only started to accept them as such when the phrasings became so pervasive because of business-speak. It's similar to the difference between "mistakes were made" and "I made a mistake".

> "I will apologize" and "please accept our apologies" are ways to distance the speaker from the actual act of apologizing, but are not the act itself. They lessen the pain of actually saying "I'm sorry". This is not correct. They are the same speech act, at a higher level of formality.

I think scott_s is right here. Also: being more interested in being correct than in actually maximally conveying regret and penitance is not a good look. You're hearing -- now from more than one person -- that looking someone in the eye and saying "I'm sorry." has a psychological effect that is stronger than the mere semantic meaning of the phrase.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by owenversteeg »

DanBC wrote: post #212
owenversteeg wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20. You can check because they're a green user, and they have one comment, from their profile.

I just upvoted them again. That number is still at 20. I wonder if they're seeing a higher number? Or maybe my upvotes aren't doing anything? (Except I just upvoted you, and that seemed to increase your karma.)

Pretty sure the upvotes do something, but green accounts take longer to update the karma for. Or something like that - not entirely sure, but I'm pretty sure the 20 is indicative of their karma at some unspecified point in the past. dang, what's causing this?

Also, I just upvoted you, and your karma didn't change (stayed at 35897.) Interesting stuff.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by exadeci »

oliversisson wrote: post #177

This is the original email. My name is Oliver Sisson and I work at Coursera. From: Oliver Sisson Date: March 20, 2016 at 10:02:25 AM PDT To: staffing@coursera.org Subject: [recruiting] I created a project for Coursera, could you confirm? Reply-To: Oliver Sisson Hi Coursera, I created a project for Coursera: [Project description redacted] Could you please confirm the project, by following this link: https://angel.co/l…

http://careers.stackoverflow.com/

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by jasonm23 »

dzohrob wrote: post #140

Hi there, I’m Dave and I work at AngelList on our Talent platform. Please accept our sincere apologies for what happened here. Sending an email without giving you a heads-up or control over its content was wrong. Here’s what we’re doing to fix it: * We’ve made it clearer that tagging a company on a project may notify them by email. * We’ve revised the project tagging email to clarify that it’s automatically generated…

Hi Dave,

I won't go into the merits, or lack of them re: the overall method of handling this issue. Others are covering this well.

> We’ve made it clearer that tagging a company on a project may notify them by email.

This is not good. If your users tag a company and you are planning to "maybe notify that company of activity on your profile" that still shows negative ambiguity, (a) just don't do this, or if you must (b) specifically ask your user to opt in on this activity notification, and state exactly what you will share.

Of course, this quickly enumerates into a list of things the majority of people would opt out of at, so that should be a clue that you are trying to add features to your product, that none of your users want.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by joshfraser »

logicallee wrote: post #110
joshfraser wrote: post #6

They do the same impersonation trick to confirm investors and co-founders as well. It gives them cleaner data & is great for growth.

do you see any difference between these two statements: "John Fraser has just added you as an employer, can you confirm? -Linkedin" "I'd like to add you as an employer on linkedin, can you confirm! -John Fraser"

Of course I do. I wasn't meaning to condone their behavior, only to share that it's something they do extensively and give some context on their potential motivation for it.

They send these emails from team@angel.co but the name and content definitely gives the impression it came from someone else.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by JupiterMoon »

lisper wrote: post #164
TheLogothete wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an appropriate analogy. You are reversing the situation. Terms and conditions and even contracts are often inadmissible. Just because you signed something, doesn't mean it's valid. Being handcuffed to a contract happens only in the movies, I am not a lawyer.

One can argue over whether Angellist's ToS constituted valid consent. But the original blanket claim that an action "can't be magically made OK by a contract" is just flat-out false. It can.

The claim I made was that a specifically criminal action can't be made non-criminal by a contract if the action is inherently criminal.

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by m0d0nne11 »

"We’ve made it clearer that tagging a company on a project may notify them by email."

I had not previously heard of AngelList but I am grateful that this declaration appeared early in these comments as I can now stop reading, knowing with full confidence that AngelList is an organization that I will never, Ever, EVER do any kind of business with. OMFG...

Re: Tell HN: AngelList told my employer that I'd updated my profile

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Post by dzohrob »

dzohrob wrote: post #140

Hi there, I’m Dave and I work at AngelList on our Talent platform. Please accept our sincere apologies for what happened here. Sending an email without giving you a heads-up or control over its content was wrong. Here’s what we’re doing to fix it: * We’ve made it clearer that tagging a company on a project may notify them by email. * We’ve revised the project tagging email to clarify that it’s automatically generated…

UPDATE: To everyone worried about their privacy on AngelList: We’re sorry. Thanks for all your feedback.

We’ve made more changes:

1) We stopped using the first-person on all emails. We wrote that first-person notification literally 5 years ago when we had a few thousand users, and we never re-visited it. It was pretty stupid. Now they all clearly come from AngelList.

2) We won’t send notifications to companies when you add them to a project. We used to because the project shows up on the company profile too. But it’s not what people expect, so we stopped, and we stopped showing the projects on company profiles too.

Thanks again.

Dave

AngelList

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