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Andy Grove has died
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Re: Andy Grove has died
#92He was also a Jew. As in the Jews that are well known for prodigious scientific, economic, musical, etc. etc. output. Hardly a Syrian, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or some other adherent to a hostile, violent, and regressive ideology[0]. Not everything is an equivalency just because you want the world to be as such. Worth noting in today's political climate. [0] Not that all Syrians, Iraqis, or Afghanis are. Edit: Ok, what…
This is such a strange comment, but I'm finding it hard to put my finger on exactly why. It's something to do with how you're happy to make generalisations about Jews, but careful in how you demonise Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans.
It's probably strange because it describes a basic reality of the world, but one that so many people strain to avert their eyes from.
I'm not making any generalisations about Jews. Just conveying what looking at any Sunday Times, or Forbes rich list will tell you, or what looking at the annals of scientific history or the recipients list of Nobel prizes will tell you, or what looking at a list of highly regarded concert pianists or violinists will tell you, etc. etc.
But I'm not much interested in going back and forth about this, the facts are the facts. And I already found it strange that oska took a thread of this sort as an opportunity to promote an agenda that is basically against the interests of all involved, i.e. mass migrations of cultures into lands where they are wholly incompatible with the native culture.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#93He was also a Jew. As in the Jews that are well known for prodigious scientific, economic, musical, etc. etc. output. Hardly a Syrian, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or some other adherent to a hostile, violent, and regressive ideology[0]. Not everything is an equivalency just because you want the world to be as such. Worth noting in today's political climate. [0] Not that all Syrians, Iraqis, or Afghanis are. Edit: Ok, what…
Those are two unrelated things. You should not have combined them that way. And the second one is very very offtopic.
You want to congratulate Jews for having a culture that produces people like him? Do it.
But the behavior of other people has nothing whatsoever to do with him.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#94I'm sorry to hear of his passing. My first job in the Bay Area was working for Intel in Santa Clara, and I worked in the same building that Andy did at the time (Santa Clara 4). It amazed me that he had a cubical (well it had slightly higher walls but was still just a cube.) I have two very influential memories of my time at Intel, the first was when I went to a design update meeting on the 80386 and Andy locked the…
Thinking about it and "second sourcing", it is funny how not that long afterwards they used marketing tactics like the 486SX/487SX fiasco to compete with AMD's 386DX. I wonder what would have happened if for example Intel bought Compaq instead back in 1991 (instead of Compaq having to cut R&D for example).
If Intel bought out Compaq in 1991 history would be different. I used Compaqs around that time. They had small pizza boxes with 386 and 486 CPUs in them.
I'd imagine Intel would make Compaq PCs with their other chips like the 80980 and other chips.
Maybe make Unix workstations with RISC chips using HP-UX.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#95He was also a Jew. As in the Jews that are well known for prodigious scientific, economic, musical, etc. etc. output. Hardly a Syrian, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or some other adherent to a hostile, violent, and regressive ideology[0]. Not everything is an equivalency just because you want the world to be as such. Worth noting in today's political climate. [0] Not that all Syrians, Iraqis, or Afghanis are. Edit: Ok, what…
This is such a strange comment, but I'm finding it hard to put my finger on exactly why. It's something to do with how you're happy to make generalisations about Jews, but careful in how you demonise Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans.
> It's something to do with how you're happy to make generalisations about Jews, but careful in how you demonise Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans.
That's the part you found odd? That part's not so strange, people are OK with generalizations when they are positive, and not OK when they are negative.
It's combining the two subjects that I found offputting.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#96I had the privilege of meeting Andy Grove a few years ago after he expressed interest in learning what our startup was doing to advance medicine. At the time, he was already clearly suffering the physical effects of Parkinsons, but mentally he was completely with it.
He listened without saying a word for ~15 minutes while I explained what our startup does. Then, he began "If I were you, I'd..." and proceeded to tell us specific ways he thought we could better focus our business. His advice was relevant and demonstrated a crisp understanding of our business and many of the challenges we'd face over the next several years.
My natural inclination was to jump in and start pushing back, but I just stop and decided to listen and learn from this business legend. I left extremely impressed. Even today, several years later, we're still executing on many things he foresaw after a brief interaction.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#97He was also a Jew. As in the Jews that are well known for prodigious scientific, economic, musical, etc. etc. output. Hardly a Syrian, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or some other adherent to a hostile, violent, and regressive ideology[0]. Not everything is an equivalency just because you want the world to be as such. Worth noting in today's political climate. [0] Not that all Syrians, Iraqis, or Afghanis are. Edit: Ok, what…
Those are two unrelated things. You should not have combined them that way. And the second one is very very offtopic. You want to congratulate Jews for having a culture that produces people like him? Do it. But the behavior of other people has nothing whatsoever to do with him.
I too thought it was off-topic, but unless I'm mistaken that's what oska was referring to. S/he brought it up, don't chastise me.
And you're right, they are mostly unrelated. That was the point of my comment, oska attempted to relate them by making a false equivalency, and I corrected him/her.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#98I had the privilege of meeting Andy Grove a few years ago after he expressed interest in learning what our startup was doing to advance medicine. At the time, he was already clearly suffering the physical effects of Parkinsons, but mentally he was completely with it. He listened without saying a word for ~15 minutes while I explained what our startup does. Then, he began "If I were you, I'd..." and proceeded to tell…
Strange -- about the same timeframe, already with Parkinsons, a flagship neuroscience lab in Oxford also tried to approach him for research money. Without success.
Re: Andy Grove has died
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Thanks. Just bought a copy.
Are these the same book? http://www.amazon.com/Andy-Grove-Times-American-Business/dp/... http://www.amazon.com/Andy-Grove-Life-Times-American/dp/1591... There doesn't seem to be a Kindle / ePub version, unfortunately.
I'm sure there will be one, now that he passed. At least, I hope it will.
Re: Andy Grove has died
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are two unrelated things. You should not have combined them that way. And the second one is very very offtopic. You want to congratulate Jews for having a culture that produces people like him? Do it. But the behavior of other people has nothing whatsoever to do with him.
I too thought it was off-topic, but unless I'm mistaken that's what oska was referring to. S/he brought it up, don't chastise me. And you're right, they are mostly unrelated. That was the point of my comment, oska attempted to relate them by making a false equivalency, and I corrected him/her.
I get your point, but if something is offtopic, it's offtopic. Don't reply just because someone else brought it up.