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Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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Not to mention vast hospital networks~ in a number of cities, universities run major or even the primary hospital network in the city.

How do you suppose that med students get the required on the job training (aka residency) otherwise? Teaching hospitals are a very necessary thing in the medical field.

I didn't say universities shouldn't have hospitals. I was just pointing out that it's another field that universities are highly involved/invested in.

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The article title "...with Schools Attached" misses an important fact about most universities. The purpose of most universities is to engage in scientific research. They are not schools, not primarily. They are chiefly research institutions that, yes, have schools attached.

For more about this, read: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/05/29/...

> [T]here is one misimpression that people seem to have, that might as well be corrected before any hasty actions are taken: the purpose of Harvard is not to educate students. If anything, its primary purpose is to produce research and scholarly work. Nobody should be surprised that the gigantic endowment isn’t put to use in providing top-flight educational experiences for a much larger pool of students; it could be, for sure, but that’s not the goal. The endowment is there to help build new facilities, launch new research initiatives, and attract the best faculty. [...]

> Don’t believe me? Here is the test: when was the last time Harvard made a senior tenure offer to someone because they were a world-class educator, rather than a world-class researcher? Not only is the answer “never,” the question itself is somewhat laughable.

> This is not a value judgment, nor is it a particular complaint about Harvard. It’s true of any top-ranked private research university, including Caltech. (Note that Caltech has over 1200 faculty members and fewer than 900 undergraduate students.) And it is not a statement about universities in general; many large public universities, and smaller liberal-arts schools, take education very seriously as a primary mission. This is by no means incompatible with being a top-notch research institution — the physics departments at places like Berkeley or UC Santa Barbara would be the envy of almost any private research university. But those places also take their educational mission very seriously, which Harvard, honestly, does not.

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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The issue is not so much that schools invest in hedge funds (the endowment managers are just trying to maximize returns), but that the endowments pay out such a small percentage of their funds each year to support research, financial aid, and everything else. Harvard pays out only 4-6% of the endowment yearly. On their huge endowment, if they increased the payout by .5%, they would have a whole lot more to spend on w…

This is incredibly shortsighted. The point of an endowment is not to pay it off, the point is that the endowment persists indefinitely, and the interest / returns fund operations. If people wanted to contribute directly to a university, they can. Instead they're contributing to the endowment. Respect that choice. It's pathetic that universities have actually set up a sustainable source for funding scholarships etc in…

You're assuming that the return on investing in the students, in whatever form, would be less than the endowment returns. The endowment money doesn't come from nothing, and, frankly, the larger your endowment gets, the more likely you are going to just revert to the standard market return, and the more beneficial it would be to invest in your students.

It's not the cut and dry issue you seem to be implying.

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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I don't see the issue with this. These are long term institutions. Many are centuries old. They should invest their money for the long term and survive off the interest.

What's more remarkable is that people voluntarily donate money to them. Why would you do that? These institutions are not in need of cash by any means. And if you are going to be charitable, there are organizations where that money can do far more good, like the top Givewell charities.

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A bit tangential, but don't donate to Ivy Leagues. I get that you might feel a sense of pride in having graduated from the school, but with a 11 digit endowment, you can rest assured that the school will be there for future students in perpetuity. Rather, give to state schools or community colleges or really, any other school. Help them serve students of all economic backgrounds, not just the elite. The most importan…

I agree with you, but many people see that as a plus when donating. If I give $x to an organization that desperately needs it, it will be spent immediately. If I give $x to an endowment, it will sit there in perpetuity, providing investment income to the organization for decades or centuries. Ben Franklin understood this and left a small amount of money (1,000 pounds) to the cities of Boston and Philadelphia in his w…

Not to be flippant, but, it's a good thing Ben Franklin wasn't born in Zimbabwe!

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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post #92

The article title "...with Schools Attached" misses an important fact about most universities. The purpose of most universities is to engage in scientific research. They are not schools, not primarily. They are chiefly research institutions that, yes, have schools attached. For more about this, read: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/05/29/... > [T]here is one misimpression that people seem to hav…

Except, they treat their researchers like total crap. Taking 2/3 of all grant money for overhead? Salaries for 45 year olds with 20 years of experience that are the same or worse as 25 year old with zero experience in private sector. Publish or perish? This whole thing you say these schools focus on, research? Pathetic. And trust me I know I've been at all the top schools and am now a professor.

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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Is it just me or does the article fail to mention/estimate/discuss how much money the universities received _from_ hedge funds? It repeats over and over again how much the schools _paid_ in managers' fees, but if the return was several times that amount, then I guess I don't see the problem.

The argument is that, with few exceptions, anyone operating at this size is basically going to hit average market returns. A couple of these Universities seem to have particularly gifted investment managers, but, even there it's debatable.

It's the same old story everywhere: Do you stick the money in a 0.2% fee index fund and ride the wave, or do you spend 20% of your returns on fees in the hope you're going to get lucky?

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, but many people see that as a plus when donating. If I give $x to an organization that desperately needs it, it will be spent immediately. If I give $x to an endowment, it will sit there in perpetuity, providing investment income to the organization for decades or centuries. Ben Franklin understood this and left a small amount of money (1,000 pounds) to the cities of Boston and Philadelphia in his w…

Not to be flippant, but, it's a good thing Ben Franklin wasn't born in Zimbabwe!

Back then money was based on precious metals, not monopoly money. Although Early America did have problems with hyperinflation from war debts. Anyway the point is the money is invested, so it's not literally just cash sitting in a vault, but is earning itself interest.

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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> I don't really care if universities hire hedge managers to manage their endowment, but it's absurd that schools with multibillion dollar endowments still charge tuition. Yale has ~12,000 students and a $26 billion endowment. Tuition is ~$45,000 per student. $45,000 * 12,000 = $540 million. They can't spend 2%(540/26,000) of their endowment per year on free tuition? What is this money for? It's mainly a tax on rich…

I walked out of MIT with $100K in student loans, because I had the combination of 'parents who make too much money' and 'parents who had five kids and did not adequately save for their children's education'. I'm all for soaking the rich, but how is that fair? I was apparently rich by association, and it was pretty upsetting to see kids who were ostensibly poorer than I was get a substantially easier start in life.

It's possible that you're one of the unlucky people who falls into the combination you described above. Unfortunately, even the best system currently available will often have cracks, and you seem to have found the one that currently exists. The vast majority of the time, kids with rich parents have a substantially blessed childhood & family-support, which justifies them having to pay substantially more in tuition fees.

Re: Universities Are Becoming Billion-Dollar Hedge Funds with Schools Attached

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really care if universities hire hedge managers to manage their endowment, but it's absurd that schools with multibillion dollar endowments still charge tuition. Yale has ~12,000 students and a $26 billion endowment. Tuition is ~$45,000 per student. $45,000 * 12,000 = $540 million. They can't spend 2%(540/26,000) of their endowment per year on free tuition? What is this money for? It's mainly a tax on rich…

I walked out of MIT with $100K in student loans, because I had the combination of 'parents who make too much money' and 'parents who had five kids and did not adequately save for their children's education'. I'm all for soaking the rich, but how is that fair? I was apparently rich by association, and it was pretty upsetting to see kids who were ostensibly poorer than I was get a substantially easier start in life.

It also seems unfair when one's parents lived well within their means and prioritized saving and spending on education, so one's family has to pay all their life savings for university, while a friend's family with the same or slightly higher income but no savings is given significant financial aid.

(Or maybe they're better at filling in FAFSA? My father is a self-taught accountant who later went pro (incl. classes/tests etc), but may have been too honest.)

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