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Re: Andy Grove has died

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It may just be a function of my own middle-age, but we seem to be losing more of the old Giants - in politics, arts and commerce, and looking ahead, everyone seems, well, smaller in comparison. Just as software without silicon to run on is, well, smaller, the software moguls of today can only run on hardware because people like Andy put it underneath them a generation before.

"I strode among giants, friends tell me now, though at the time I felt like a misfit associating with oddballs." - Steve Roper, Camp 4: Recollections of a Yosemite Rockclimber.

Perhaps that is less true of Groves, who came from the lineage of Bell and Shockley. I'm sure it applies to the great technologists of our future.

Re: Andy Grove has died

#22
High Output Management has dramatically improved the culture, communication and output of our company. I live a better life because of what this man learned and passed on. Thanks Mr. Grove, you are a giant.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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What an unfortunate attitude for him to take, promoting a poor quality working environment merely because it anecdotally didn't create problems for him, thereby damaging others who may have physiological conditions (such as misophonia) or who may be more strongly introverted and need privacy for productivity. And how bad for us now that we laud such poor anecdotes and allow words like "egalitarian" to be associated w…

Cubes dysfunctional? Interesting. Your opinions are strong.

I prefer working at home, but individual offices were a nice touch if I had to be in the office, the worst of all worlds was "open offices".

A senior executive not using his role to be away from the other employees is incredibly rare these days.

Re: Andy Grove has died

#25
Highly recommend Swimming Across - Andy's autobiography of his childhood. The biography Life and Times of an American picks up from there with the first ~50-75 pages recounting the story Andy told in his own words in Swimming Across. Remarkable story - a life well-lived in the face of incredible early challenges to be sure.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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post #20

What an unfortunate attitude for him to take, promoting a poor quality working environment merely because it anecdotally didn't create problems for him, thereby damaging others who may have physiological conditions (such as misophonia) or who may be more strongly introverted and need privacy for productivity. And how bad for us now that we laud such poor anecdotes and allow words like "egalitarian" to be associated w…

Bunking with the troops sounds a hell of a lot nicer as a gesture than what the usual exec in a company would have done: give himself a corner office with a nice view while the rest of the company spends their time in windowless cubicles.

He wasn't promoting it per se, he was merely using it. Also, I think it is in poor taste to use this moment to attempt to draw attention away from the matter at hand to make it seem like he purposefully did something negative.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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post #20

What an unfortunate attitude for him to take, promoting a poor quality working environment merely because it anecdotally didn't create problems for him, thereby damaging others who may have physiological conditions (such as misophonia) or who may be more strongly introverted and need privacy for productivity. And how bad for us now that we laud such poor anecdotes and allow words like "egalitarian" to be associated w…

Cubes dysfunctional? Interesting. Your opinions are strong. I prefer working at home, but individual offices were a nice touch if I had to be in the office, the worst of all worlds was "open offices". A senior executive not using his role to be away from the other employees is incredibly rare these days.

Paul Graham expressed this much more strongly than I have, and he wrote about it over 10 years ago:

"After software, the most important tool to a hacker is probably his office. Big companies think the function of office space is to express rank. But hackers use their offices for more than that: they use their office as a place to think in. And if you're a technology company, their thoughts are your product. So making hackers work in a noisy, distracting environment is like having a paint factory where the air is full of soot.

The cartoon strip Dilbert has a lot to say about cubicles, and with good reason. All the hackers I know despise them. The mere prospect of being interrupted is enough to prevent hackers from working on hard problems. If you want to get real work done in an office with cubicles, you have two options: work at home, or come in early or late or on a weekend, when no one else is there. Don't companies realize this is a sign that something is broken? An office environment is supposed to be something that helps you work, not something you work despite.

Companies like Cisco are proud that everyone there has a cubicle, even the CEO. But they're not so advanced as they think; obviously they still view office space as a badge of rank. Note too that Cisco is famous for doing very little product development in house. They get new technology by buying the startups that created it-- where presumably the hackers did have somewhere quiet to work.

One big company that understands what hackers need is Microsoft. I once saw a recruiting ad for Microsoft with a big picture of a door. Work for us, the premise was, and we'll give you a place to work where you can actually get work done. And you know, Microsoft is remarkable among big companies in that they are able to develop software in house. Not well, perhaps, but well enough."

from Great Hackers section called "The Final Frontier"

http://paulgraham.com/gh.html

I agree that open plan is the worst, but cubes are a close second, and both types of space are not as cost effective as private offices (even in dense urban areas).

If the executives want to be "egalitarian" about it, then raise the conditions of everyone up. Don't act like a proud martyr and lower your own conditions. It's patronizing and solves none of the problems. Plus, executives who do this will always find other status games to play if they want to feel superior, so it's never really egalitarian anyway.

Re: Andy Grove has died

#28

Can we get a black bar on top of HN? RIP

Yes, we definitely need a black bar here. Grove set the tone of a lot of what we take for granted in Silicon Valley, like a meritocracy, no offices for execs, the best idea wins regardless of who suggested it, etc.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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post #20

What an unfortunate attitude for him to take, promoting a poor quality working environment merely because it anecdotally didn't create problems for him, thereby damaging others who may have physiological conditions (such as misophonia) or who may be more strongly introverted and need privacy for productivity. And how bad for us now that we laud such poor anecdotes and allow words like "egalitarian" to be associated w…

Bunking with the troops sounds a hell of a lot nicer as a gesture than what the usual exec in a company would have done: give himself a corner office with a nice view while the rest of the company spends their time in windowless cubicles. He wasn't promoting it per se, he was merely using it. Also, I think it is in poor taste to use this moment to attempt to draw attention away from the matter at hand to make it seem…

I don't see how it's a nice gesture. Not only does it fail to improve what is bad about the conditions, but also it creates an unspoken rule that you're not even allowed to complain, not even allowed to hope, for something better.

Wearing tattered shoes and claiming they are "good enough" isn't a nice gesture nor is it helpful for the person who badly needs better shoes. Instead it's a message: deal with the bad stuff because I am dealing with it.

As for whether it's poor taste, I guess, I don't know. I'm responding to a comment on an internet thread, a comment that could be misinterpreted as supportive of open-plan offices, and I see the effect of that as socially bad. I mean no disrespect, but I'm also going to speak up for what I believe matters.

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