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Re: Safari 9.1

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Safari is the new Internet Explorer. That was my experience trying to grapple with its weird, non-standards-compliant implementation of HTML5 required fields.

With the caveat that it's basically only on iOS and OS X.

Exactly, Microsoft provides IE VMs that I can use to ensure my sites work on IE. For Safari? I guess I'll just have to pray.

Re: Safari 9.1

#32

For anyone wondering why anybody uses Safari these days, the simple answer (for me, at least) is that it consumes much less CPU and energy on my MacBook Pro than Chrome and Firefox. It can mean an hour or more of battery life when unplugged, and greatly reduced testicle-cooking when plugged. I still use Chrome for development but Safari is my "daily driver" for email, surfing, reading, etc.

an even simpler answer would be because it is the default browser..

Okay, maybe I should have written "anybody technical" instead of just "anybody."

Re: Safari 9.1

#33

For anyone wondering why anybody uses Safari these days, the simple answer (for me, at least) is that it consumes much less CPU and energy on my MacBook Pro than Chrome and Firefox. It can mean an hour or more of battery life when unplugged, and greatly reduced testicle-cooking when plugged. I still use Chrome for development but Safari is my "daily driver" for email, surfing, reading, etc.

It's also well integrated – Preview, the keychain, reading list, twitter links make for an excellent ecosystem.

I'd love a Safari with a Chromium rendering engine, though. Except that Webkit is probably quite important to keep Chrome moving as fast as it does.

Re: Safari 9.1

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post #22
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound almost happy about the fact we have a new IE6 in our midst.

You sorely misremember IE6.

No. I remember IE6 very well. I remember when it was the most capable browser by far and I sat in an office full of developers cursing Netscape 4. I remember when IE 4.5 was the best browser for the Mac. I remember when Safari was a strange newcomer.

I also remember many years passing when IE6 stuck around like an unwelcome fart and we all hoped and prayed that it would die so we could move on. Rapid silent updates are the best thing that happened to the web for both the user and for developers. Chrome has many serious issues but it's update cycle isn't one of them.

Re: Safari 9.1

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I guess gesture events on OS X will be quite useful for online maps (openstreetmap, google maps)

no it's a new standard. Chrome and IE already support it on Google Maps because a pinch to zoom is ctrl+mousekey for them. And now Safari has introduced a new standard. This is nuts. Why is there a W3C? Everybody is doing it differently.

Re: Safari 9.1

#36
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it will remain relevant anyway as long as people keep using it.

Or as long as Apple keeps enforcing the "Safari Engine Only" rules on iOS. I think a lot of people would consider switching if Chrome for iOS was legitimate Chrome (rather than a Chrome UI with a Safari engine).

No. Also, Chrome's engine comes from the same roots as Safari's.

Re: Safari 9.1

#37

A point release every n months is utterly useless for on-the-ground web developers. Safari needs to move to the Firefox/Chrome deployment model if it wants to remain at all relevant.

Please no. I really love Safari for being just a really good browser. No 'sneaky OS' like Chrome (I don't need Chromes User management, thank you, and I'd much rather have my OS's context menus and font aliasing), and speedier, if you will, 'snappier' than Firefox, with its custom animations for every button and overall not very 'native' look and feel. No, I want a browser that does what a browser should do; let me e…

>No, I want a browser that does what a browser should do; let me easily and speedily browse the web. Safari is great at that.

Except it isn't. Because it's non standard different way of handling things means it's a lot more work for Web developers to give the same experience they give in chrome to safari users. You get a dumbed down experience on safari as a result.

Re: Safari 9.1

#38

A point release every n months is utterly useless for on-the-ground web developers. Safari needs to move to the Firefox/Chrome deployment model if it wants to remain at all relevant.

Please no. I really love Safari for being just a really good browser. No 'sneaky OS' like Chrome (I don't need Chromes User management, thank you, and I'd much rather have my OS's context menus and font aliasing), and speedier, if you will, 'snappier' than Firefox, with its custom animations for every button and overall not very 'native' look and feel. No, I want a browser that does what a browser should do; let me e…

What does that have to do with release schedules?

Re: Safari 9.1

#40
The best thing about this release is CSS Variables support:

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/releasenotes/General...

CSS variables are a great way to do theming and cross-scoped styling for Custom Elements and shadow DOM. Polymer's had a shim for this for a while, but native support is much faster and more flexible.

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