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3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
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Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#32I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.
On a cold day at sea level, the 310 should be able to get at least 200fpm. The book number is about 300fpm. However, they may not have been going fast enough to get book performance, and a plane that old usually can't make nearly the book numbers. They hit at about .3nm from the end of the runway, significantly left of the extended centerline, and at an altitude of about 100 feet. That would be consistent with a climb rate of about 150-200fpm.
My guess is that the left engine failed. The left engine is the critical engine, and so the plane would have very strongly wanted to turn left. It would have been slow having just taken off, and so the pilot probably had to turn to keep his speed up and maintain a positive climb rate. He probably either forgot about the power lines, or was just hoping to clear them since he couldn't see them.
Sadly, this is probably just another instance of the second engine being just enough to get you to the scene of the crash.
Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#33One of the people on video said it well "we're very vulnerable without power." Coincidently, Elon Musk's focus has partly been addressing that.
Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#34I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.
So, who killed the electric car again?
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#35As sorry as I am for those who are affected, I just do not see the relevance for this site. People die every day. People in startups die every day. Is this special because it is in the news, because it was a spectacular death? Actually I find it highly questionable to draw attention to these kinds of incidents.
Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#36I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.
I agree that those are the two likely possibilities. Given that the pilot was pretty experienced, and was a multi-engine instructor, I'd say that disorientation is less likely. On a cold day at sea level, the 310 should be able to get at least 200fpm. The book number is about 300fpm. However, they may not have been going fast enough to get book performance, and a plane that old usually can't make nearly the book numb…
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that those are the two likely possibilities. Given that the pilot was pretty experienced, and was a multi-engine instructor, I'd say that disorientation is less likely. On a cold day at sea level, the 310 should be able to get at least 200fpm. The book number is about 300fpm. However, they may not have been going fast enough to get book performance, and a plane that old usually can't make nearly the book numb…
Do pilots train flying 2-engined planes in emergency (ie, 1-engine) conditions?
Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#38One of the people on video said it well "we're very vulnerable without power." Coincidently, Elon Musk's focus has partly been addressing that.
I'm curious as to what you mean. I don't see Tesla Motors/Paypal/SpaceX as addressing that. Tesla Motors might be addressing, "we're vulnerable without gasoline or oil," but not electricity.
Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
#39As sorry as I am for those who are affected, I just do not see the relevance for this site. People die every day. People in startups die every day. Is this special because it is in the news, because it was a spectacular death? Actually I find it highly questionable to draw attention to these kinds of incidents.
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#40Maybe I have too much Reddit in me, but damn.
RIP and respect.