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3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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What happened to the old article that was just here? It seems the points remain but the comments are all gone. Also, it's been reposted by pg...

The other article was tripe. People were upvoting based on worthiness of the story, not on the particular writing at the original site. Now everyone can read actual facts and come up with their own opinions.

So, I submitted the original story. When it was submitted, the article on the page was much different that what it appears to be now. I just came back from lunch to find my submission "overridden". In this case I don't mind because of the situation, and I would rather have an article with more journalistic integrity take center stage, but there were some good comment threads going on the original submission. However, it did seem odd that it happened.

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.

I believe it was in "Outliers" Malcolm Gladwell claimed that airplane accidents are often the cause of several critical failures, not just one. It would be interesting to find out if that theory holds true in this case, as you seem to be hypothesizing.

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.

So, who killed the electric car again?

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

#24
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other article was tripe. People were upvoting based on worthiness of the story, not on the particular writing at the original site. Now everyone can read actual facts and come up with their own opinions.

So, I submitted the original story. When it was submitted, the article on the page was much different that what it appears to be now. I just came back from lunch to find my submission "overridden". In this case I don't mind because of the situation, and I would rather have an article with more journalistic integrity take center stage, but there were some good comment threads going on the original submission. However,…

I find your previous comment humorously prophetic in light of this :)

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132225

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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Godspeed. Don't know if many readers here are also pilots, but it's always sad to see something like this happen to a fellow aviator. I've flown 310's quite a bit and they can be a handful on a single engine - although I will refrain from speculating about the crash further. Incidentally it's possible to track the investigation using the NTSB website: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp The accident synopsis will be available online as soon as they update their database. My condolences.

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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Godspeed. Don't know if many readers here are also pilots, but it's always sad to see something like this happen to a fellow aviator. I've flown 310's quite a bit and they can be a handful on a single engine - although I will refrain from speculating about the crash further. Incidentally it's possible to track the investigation using the NTSB website: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp The accident synopsis will be a…

FAA's AAI site will have the "just the facts" version of the report far sooner than the NTSB. (In all likelihood, it will be on the FAA site tomorrow.)

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/prelimina...

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, I submitted the original story. When it was submitted, the article on the page was much different that what it appears to be now. I just came back from lunch to find my submission "overridden". In this case I don't mind because of the situation, and I would rather have an article with more journalistic integrity take center stage, but there were some good comment threads going on the original submission. However,…

I find your previous comment humorously prophetic in light of this :) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132225

heh.. yeah. which is actually why I'm not upset that it got reposted.

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

#28

Godspeed. Don't know if many readers here are also pilots, but it's always sad to see something like this happen to a fellow aviator. I've flown 310's quite a bit and they can be a handful on a single engine - although I will refrain from speculating about the crash further. Incidentally it's possible to track the investigation using the NTSB website: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp The accident synopsis will be a…

FAA's AAI site will have the "just the facts" version of the report far sooner than the NTSB. (In all likelihood, it will be on the FAA site tomorrow.) http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/prelimina...

Interesting. Thanks.

Re: 3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash

#30
post #22

I see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.

I believe it was in "Outliers" Malcolm Gladwell claimed that airplane accidents are often the cause of several critical failures, not just one. It would be interesting to find out if that theory holds true in this case, as you seem to be hypothesizing.

Any kind of accident, not just airline accidents are usually the result of more than one failure.

Even simple accidents are usually remarkably complex to piece together and almost always start with a very simple small thing that by itself would not be enough to cause an accident. The follow-up to that first thing is just as important, or possibly even more so.

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