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Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by peteretep »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #80

Mark my words, now that states see the incredible tax revenues from this industry, they're going to tax the fuck out of it, and then regulate the hell out of it to discourage and limit new businesses popping up all over (which is already happening anyways). This has become a cash cow for state governments and I don't see this ending well for anybody wanting to use legally. The government track record on stuff like th…

    > and limit new businesses
    > popping up
So they're going to try and maximise tax revenue by stopping new businesses? Gotcha

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#82

Post by Zigurd »

rayiner wrote: post #78
Zigurd wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of movement isn't in there, either. Nor is the freedom to use math to secure your documents. Are you claiming these are not rights?

Freedom to use encryption I think falls squarely under the first amendment, because it's a way of communicating with other people. Freedom of movement has been held to fall under the privileges and immunities clause, which is at least plausible considering that one of the purposes of the constitution was to eliminate interstate barriers to trade. But privacy? I don't think such a right exists, at least not in its mod…

You don't think it's a stretch to find freedom of movement in the privileges and immunities clause?

Here it is, in its entirety:

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Huh. So travel is in there but not privacy?

I just love to watch the gymnastics of making rights enumerated and government powers unlimited and unrestrained except by a list of rights granted by government to the people.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#83

Post by sageabilly »

peteretep wrote: post #81
at-fates-hands wrote: post #80

Mark my words, now that states see the incredible tax revenues from this industry, they're going to tax the fuck out of it, and then regulate the hell out of it to discourage and limit new businesses popping up all over (which is already happening anyways). This has become a cash cow for state governments and I don't see this ending well for anybody wanting to use legally. The government track record on stuff like th…

> and limit new businesses > popping up So they're going to try and maximise tax revenue by stopping new businesses? Gotcha

No, it's probably going to turn into the same thing that's happened with liquor laws in the US where some states have state ABC boards and you can only buy the very specific liquors that are on the approved list and only at the state-run liquor stores. Even states that don't have state-run liquor stores have very strict importing and distribution rules which leads to three steps between the distiller and the store, with each step taking money off the top and paying taxes.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by [deleted] »

antihero wrote: post #64
deepvibrations wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried a high CBD/low THC strain? When I found it was limiting me, I moved over to a strain of this type and it still satisfied my urge to smoke something tasty, but also did not hold me back from doing anything, as it these strains do not get you 'stoned' in the normal sense. In hindsight, my addiction was that I related the act smoking to sitting back and being lazy, so once I removed that link I no longer…

Yeah basically just sort yourself some Sativa instead of Indica. It's almost like a whole new drug. I much prefer it, plus sex on it is utterly amazing.

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Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#85

Post by Overtonwindow »

justsaysmthng wrote: post #37

Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…

Very good point. I've been a one-hit-wonder for years (1-3 hits and I'm done for the night) but I suffer with the whole laziness/limiting/apathy for at least a day afterwards. I hope this spawns a better market in creating strains that give you all the fun, but none of the laziness, and psychological dependency. I use it for depression and anxiety, and I know I'm addicted, but I also know it's entirely my fault.

Also: Being able to explore ways to discuss, diagnose, and ween myself off of the dependency of weed, while being open and free to discuss why it helps me in the first place, without stigma, would really help in my situation.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#86

Post by oldmanjay »

idra wrote: post #43
tn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so does India. Marijuana was legal in India til 1985 then US government forced Indian government criminalize it.

I have the same question as another poster - why would the US government want to do it?

Because it was directed to by the legislature and the president.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by hellofunk »

justsaysmthng wrote: post #37

Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…

There seems to be this reverse-stigma attached to marijuana that causes many to think there is no such thing as weed withdrawal or dependence, and some laugh at the mere notion of this. Hopefully as the drug is more widely used recreationally and legally, this notion will change and most people will be more aware of these things. It is a remarkable plant but it is certainly not all positive and it can be dangerously abused like any other vice or medication, with real problematic side-effects.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

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Post by hellofunk »

bcook wrote: post #38
justsaysmthng wrote: post #37

Good. It's now time to explore the market for people who want to quit/detox from the weed. I'm not saying this in a sarcastic way - I've been smoking on and off for 20 years and I have great respect for the plant. But it has this "self-limiting" property - sometimes you want to be with it, sometimes you want to take a break. And taking a break is not trivial for some people. This is were the secondary market can take…

Generic classes/treatments/therapy on addiction already exist. Marijuana has not been proven to be physically addictive like alcohol & heroin. Psychological addiction can happen with anything, so that is why I mention generic addiction treatment. I think your point is valid though. We can always learn more, especially if it can help.

There are definitely physical dependencies that develop with THC, perhaps not "addiction" but the body does get used to it to the point that withdrawal is a real and physical problem if you've been using it a lot and at strong doses.

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#89

Post by sv123 »

idra wrote: post #43
tn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so does India. Marijuana was legal in India til 1985 then US government forced Indian government criminalize it.

I have the same question as another poster - why would the US government want to do it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-influence/real-reasons-mar...

Re: Legal marijuana sales forecast to hit $23B in 4 years

#90

Post by rtpg »

Zigurd wrote: post #75
rayiner wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The constitution doesn't have the word privacy anywhere in it. And the 4th amendment is worded as a specific protection against " searches" and "seizures" not surveillance.

Freedom of movement isn't in there, either. Nor is the freedom to use math to secure your documents. Are you claiming these are not rights?

Freedom of movement is in the constitution (all state citizens get the privileges of the several states).

The freedom to use math is as much of a freedom as the freedom to use physics to move things with your hands (that is to say: pretty independent of what one would call a freedom from a legal perspective).

The freedom to secure your documents is also a freedom insofar as the constitution does not seem to grant the government a way to prevent you from doing so (10th amendment). But hey, there's been some creative applications of the commerce clause in the past.

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