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Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by bsimpson »

sf_googler wrote: post #129
seattle_googler wrote: post #46

Seattle Googler here (throwaway account). Position: Senior Software Engineer (level 5) Tenure: 4 years, no prior experience Comp: $300K (160 salary, 40 bonus, 100 stock) Male, native English speaker P.S. We're hiring.

Just adding not all Googlers make that much. I have 7 years in industry, L4, and make 117 base with 40k of stock a year in San Francisco (was 30k at grant time). If you can convince Google you're worth more they will pay it but not all Googlers are making crazy cash (btw wish I was in Seattle given CoL difference).

UXE?

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by Yaziyumaru »

vidarh wrote: post #579
Symbiote wrote: post #558

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In Europe, a month is typical for junior, professional jobs, with this increasing to three months for senior positions. You can, of course, not turn up to work. But that might well make you "unreliable" if you ask for a reference later. But it's not a problem, since a new employer giving a three month notice period will expect you to be on one at present. (The notice period during the first 6 or 12 months is often le…

In Europe, it is much higher than a month in many countries. E.g. in Norway it is near impossible to give less than 3 months notice for permanent positions without providing additional compensation, no matter how junior the position, except for a typically 6 month trial period. Before I'd moved to the UK, I'd never even seen an employment contract with less than 3 months. In practice, shorter notice is often mutually…

This is true of my position in Germany as well, but from what I understand it rarely works out like that. Unless you are leaving a company at a critical juncture they likely don't want to keep an unmotivated employer there for three months. I can mutually agree with my employer to leave early if necessary.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by Diederich »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #649
Diederich wrote: post #610

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Right, though I would put "scare quotes" around "proof", since from their perspective I could be making it up. (: When things get more serious, I sometimes go over my history of compensation with them. To me, it comes down to the question: does company X need me more than I need company X? For the right people with the right skills and the right experience, the "power" is with the potential employee.

Interesting, I've never ever shared my salary with another company, and been working two decades.

Yup, there's a hell of a lot of different ways to 'do it' I think.

The feedback I get from HR/recruiters is that my approach is rather unusual, but that they generally appreciate it since it is rather efficient.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by mdpopescu »

franbulax wrote: post #679
mdpopescu wrote: post #518

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When I was hired by Merrill Lynch, in Dublin, they asked for my bank statements for the last ten years in order to verify that I was indeed making what I said. (The only annoying thing was that I had to scan 75 pages... boooring.)

Wow, seriously? Full rectal as well?

It was the first time I worked for a bank; I just assumed it's "how things are done" :)

I'm going to be more careful next time. :D

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Post by st3v3r »

hodgesrm wrote: post #492
st3v3r wrote: post #176

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See, that's why at-will is a terrible end run around worker's rights.

How so? At-will cuts both ways. In countries like Finland as well as France it can be quite time-consuming to switch jobs due to the fact you have to give three months or more notice. That's leaving aside entirely the issue of how at will employment gives companies confidence to hire since they know they can shed employees if things go south. If you are looking for an end run try binding arbitration, which allows emp…

Employers have far more power in the situation. As I said, it's basically an end run around every worker's rights law there is. There might be some small benefits for workers, but, on the whole, it is terrible for them.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by st3v3r »

brashrat wrote: post #265
st3v3r wrote: post #176

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See, that's why at-will is a terrible end run around worker's rights.

see, rights for any group are always an end run around rights somebody else would naturally have.

No.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

tptacek wrote: post #334
meric wrote: post #327

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On the off-chance they're doing that because your performance is abysmal and you haven't improved enough from their informal intervention, if in PIP you managed to finally recover your performance, maybe they will let you stay a bit longer.

Sure. It's not a guarantee. But personally, I think if you get a PIP, your best next move is to start applying for other jobs.

I agree.

I was the recipient of a PIP at my last job, went through the improvement process, and at the end of it, my manager signed off that my performance had returned to acceptable levels. I left about a month later.

So why am I not still there? Well, in the process of going through the PIP and asking myself how I let things get to that point, I realized that I was quite capable of excelling at everything I was supposed to be doing, but I just didn't give a shit anymore. My subconscious had already checked out of that job and was telling me it was time to move on.

When I realized that, my reaction was to start looking for another job while bringing my performance back to a good level. We quit on good terms: they "hired" me back to consult on some problems that came up after I left; I helped someone transition into my old position and I have a job better suited to my personality.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by vidarh »

Yaziyumaru wrote: post #692
vidarh wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe, it is much higher than a month in many countries. E.g. in Norway it is near impossible to give less than 3 months notice for permanent positions without providing additional compensation, no matter how junior the position, except for a typically 6 month trial period. Before I'd moved to the UK, I'd never even seen an employment contract with less than 3 months. In practice, shorter notice is often mutually…

This is true of my position in Germany as well, but from what I understand it rarely works out like that. Unless you are leaving a company at a critical juncture they likely don't want to keep an unmotivated employer there for three months. I can mutually agree with my employer to leave early if necessary.

In Norway you can mutually agree to leave early, but the employer can generally not force you to leave to the extent that there have been cases where people have insisted on coming to work against the employers will because the saw it as problematic for their professional reputation if they were forced to leave. Generally courts would tend to be sympathetic to employee concerns in cases like that unless there are very compelling reasons to keep them out (e.g. lets say they were dismissed after a violent attack on another employee or after being found stealing secrets fro the employers).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by stuxnet79 »

brndn wrote: post #680
duaneb wrote: post #196

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Can you imagine the fallout for firing an employee for discussing salary after the recent NyTimes article? It'd be PR suicide. Now, your relationship with your manager might be strained, but hey, that's life.

What article?

He is referring to a scathing article that was published on NYT late last year: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-w...

Sparked a lot of controversy. It kinda made me not want to work at Amazon ever. Although I hear that the Amazon experience varies depending on team and location.

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