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Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by paulddraper »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #184
mattsmith123 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where is your data to back up that "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer? It is a pretty well documented phenomena. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

> It is a pretty well documented phenomena. The effect of an individual feeling above average is, yes, documented and pointed out in your links. But that has nothing to do with "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer". Where is the data showing "almost everyone" feels this way? Even reading the wikis you linked it's obvious people will feel this about certain topics or even just in general when co…

Don't be afraid to read the linked articles.

> Illusory superiority has been found in individuals' comparisons of themselves with others...in working environments (for example in job performance)

> In a survey of faculty at the University of Nebraska...more than 90% rated themselves as above average.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by yitchelle »

walshemj wrote: post #186
yitchelle wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so true in Europe. There are quite a significant number of countries where it is normal to specify a monthly wage rather than a yearly salary. Germany being one of them.

well a this is an English language forum and b quoteing a single year makes it easier to account for countries that have extra month payments

> a this is an English language forum

Are you saying that HN is only relevant to English speaking folks?

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

paulddraper wrote: post #191
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is a pretty well documented phenomena. The effect of an individual feeling above average is, yes, documented and pointed out in your links. But that has nothing to do with "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer". Where is the data showing "almost everyone" feels this way? Even reading the wikis you linked it's obvious people will feel this about certain topics or even just in general when co…

Don't be afraid to read the linked articles. > Illusory superiority has been found in individuals' comparisons of themselves with others...in working environments (for example in job performance) > In a survey of faculty at the University of Nebraska...more than 90% rated themselves as above average.

> Don't be afraid to read the linked articles.

Oh I did. Those quotes don't actually answer my questions. It "being found" or being found in more than 90% in a single survey doesn't answer my questions at all. Looking for real studies. I looked at some studies but I couldn't find anything about this (at least not in the places I have access to).

Surveys without proper controls are almost useless. I'm certainly saying this entire thing couldn't be true in most people I just want to see data / real studies.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by mpeg »

marssaxman wrote: post #85
mpeg wrote: post #48

Okay, before you all start adding your data there, consider the fact that it's all made public. In the UK, post codes are usually very specific (sometimes to a single building) and I'm seeing someone from Colindale that has put in their entire postcode alongside their salary, this would be very easy to deanonimise by doing a reverse lookup on census data and then checking the job titles of the full names you'd get fo…

Well, sure, but really, so what? I understand that we historically have a culture in which salary figures are secret, but that all seems to come from a bunch of social-hierarchy stuff about keeping up appearances and saving face. If someone doesn't care about that then what harm could even potentially come about as a result of sharing useful information with peers?

You don't see anything wrong with sharing your full address on the internet?

Without even getting out of white collar crime, knowing your name, profession, salary and address makes it easier to steal your identity.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by eitally »

mettamage wrote: post #8
eitally wrote: post #4

Why, just why? Besides Glassdoor, there's now comparably.com (which I also question), plus Quora and mobile apps like Blind. Imho, Glassdoor is actually pretty accurate and you can fill in the gaps (things like vesting schedules, promotion paths, etc) through searching and asking questions on Quora.

Here's a peculiar opinion. I don't have them often, so enjoy ;) I agree that implementing an idea that is fairly common already has a high risk of adding only marginal value. I didn't see the website yet, but I was thinking the same thing "don't we have salary sites already? Why would we need another one?" Then I read your comment and to be honest (and peculiar): if all the value that the website was is having your c…

And to be honest with you, that is exactly why I made the comment, because I suspected the OP (and a large fraction of the readership) didn't know about those (or the h1b search portals).

The comments sections of HN is one of my most valuable news sources. :)

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by marssaxman »

mpeg wrote: post #195
marssaxman wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure, but really, so what? I understand that we historically have a culture in which salary figures are secret, but that all seems to come from a bunch of social-hierarchy stuff about keeping up appearances and saving face. If someone doesn't care about that then what harm could even potentially come about as a result of sharing useful information with peers?

You don't see anything wrong with sharing your full address on the internet? Without even getting out of white collar crime, knowing your name, profession, salary and address makes it easier to steal your identity.

My name is spectacularly unique, my full address is a matter of public record, I've had the same profession my entire life, and my salary is $135K/year. If someone wants to create trouble for me there's not much I can do to stop them, but they'd be unlikely to make much of a profit in the exercise, so I'm not particularly worried about it.

I generally don't bother thinking about potential bad things unknown people might do, because most bad things are done by known people and the people who know me are unlikely to have any such motivation. In the improbable event that some significant crime or terrorist act or whatever did happen to affect me, nothing I could have done in advance is likely to have made any difference, so I believe that I'm better off ignoring all such possibilities and focusing my attention toward the aspects of life where my choices are meaningful.

Other people will of course make different choices based on their different experiences and different feelings about risk exposure. This is just the way I live my life - I'm not suggesting everyone should do the same. But I'm pretty comfortable with it, personally.

In any case, I don't get your point, because I don't see why deciding to share one's salary figure should have any bearing on a decision about whether to share one's address.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by masukomi »

pretty sure that if i put my job title, and years of XP there would be ZERO question as to WHO at my company was making that amount. hell, if i just put my job title...

The thinking here is really shortsighted. It only works at companies where there are LOTS of people and lots of people with the same title.

Not only would it make for uncomfortable conversations at work, it would likely get me in trouble with my employers. I can't believe you're actually putting the company names out for people to read when you have SO little data. there is NO practical level of anonymity here. Lot's of folks can (and probably will) get in trouble.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by baby »

quinnchr wrote: post #117
baby wrote: post #106

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I feel like this is missing the point that "gender" in a questionnaire is not asking you what you think you are, but what you really are. There is a scientific definition of the word gender that is being ignored here. And also yeah we could get rid of that kind of questions in "some" questionnaires, but for these kind of mass statistic tools this is interesting for example to see if females are paid less than males.…

Biological sex isn't binary either, there are far more configurations than just XX and XY.

Good point!

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by baby »

vertex-four wrote: post #114
baby wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is missing the point that "gender" in a questionnaire is not asking you what you think you are, but what you really are. There is a scientific definition of the word gender that is being ignored here. And also yeah we could get rid of that kind of questions in "some" questionnaires, but for these kind of mass statistic tools this is interesting for example to see if females are paid less than males.…

> I feel like this is missing the point that "gender" in a questionnaire is not asking you what you think you are, but what you really are. No, in this case it's a combination of what you are (i.e. your gender identity), and what whoever decides on how much they'll pay you thinks you are, mostly. But there's all sorts of variables in there still - a single variable probably isn't wonderful. Is a trans woman usually p…

My point was that this "variation" is not big enough to alter the data, and can be counted as false-positives. I don't think the comparison to a religious select input without atheism is fair since atheists represent a fairly large chunk of the population.
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