I'm not British, so it's hard to judge, but I'm not entirely certain the interpretation he gives of the events cited are completely accurate. This is a man who supported the Iraq invasion and accused protesters of harming the civil rights of the citizens of Iraq.
The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
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Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm inclined to agree that "running things like a business" is part of the reason why no one wants to make a stand. But I have to disagree with this: > Or to repurpose your phrase, "When business and profits are your religion, anyone with moral conviction is your enemy and must be silenced." It's not the businessmen who are trying to shut down free speech and debate on college campuses. > See, that's the sort of sexi…
> "One small step for a man or a womyn, one giant leap for man- and womyn-kind". I think I could get that one through even toughest SJW language police. What do you think? I think "the SJW language police" probably know that Neil Armstrong is not a "womyn".
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#23When moral relativism is your religion, anyone with moral conviction is your enemy and must be silenced. What's most pitiful is the cowardice displayed by all who should know better. University trustees and professors, business leaders, entertainers, and every last one of us who has ever surrendered to this tyranny in our schools, our jobs, or our communities. Instead of fighting back, we capitulate and cower in fear…
Okay, I'm lost: why the downvotes? This sounds like reasonable comment, even useful (the first sentence is a good summary of the article's subject). I see no attack to any particular group. What in this comment could possibly rub HN the wrong way?
> religion, anyone, conviction, enemy, must, silenced
> most, pitiful, cowardice, all, should, every last one of us, ever, surrendered, tyranny, fighting, capitulate, cower, fear
> my own country, America; disgusts, good men, put down their lives, secure, blessings, liberty, lack, confidence, courage, even, a word, defense
A few of these would be fine.
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#24It is indeed a sad day when people, that is, students, are censored by their own. It's astounding that this would happen being that through disagreement and argument is how we find our better ways. My sentiment is that here is the one place where we should feel free to share our ideas no matter how immature or adolescent they are. This should be the place where we get to open up and explore. But, as they say, the lef…
Take this excerpt:
Surely the left believes in secularism and despises
the superstitions that have held humanity back? Not
so, and not for a long time.
If "the left" believes in secularism and atheism, and the people he's talking about oppose secularism and atheism, why does does he conclude this means "the left" no longer believes in secularism, rather than the people he's talking about are not actually "the left"?He claims "Feminists, gay-rights campaigners, anti-fascists and anti-Islamists" are being sanctioned or persecuted. So the left is against feminists, gay-rights and anti-fascism? What do those groups represent then, "the right"?
If there's one claim socialism and communism can make, it's that it's diametrically opposed to Islamism, as evidenced in numerous post-war socialist, secular Arab countries, Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s, and in the fact that leftists have been persecuted and murdered in every Islamist state from Saudi to Iran.
In any case, the ‘left’ as I suppose I have to call it
Why does he have to call it "the left" if even he states they hold "reactionary views"? Because he's pandering to a right-wing audience on a right-wing website.Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#25The author seems to reminisce about a time when universities were pure outlets of free thought. At that time women were vastly outnumbered by men in universities. The time when universities were pure and free for everyone exists only in the authors imagination.
http://blogs.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gender-...
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#26The real tragedy is that university used to be a place where you could be convinced that some of the ideas you had going in might be wrong . Now the only thing that's being taught is that certain people just aren't allowed to speak at all. People who used to have their ways of thinking changed at university are now leaving silent, angry, and still wrong .
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, I'm lost: why the downvotes? This sounds like reasonable comment, even useful (the first sentence is a good summary of the article's subject). I see no attack to any particular group. What in this comment could possibly rub HN the wrong way?
I think it's just that there's a lot of dramatic and hyperbolic words and phrases in there, here's a list from a quick pass: > religion, anyone, conviction, enemy, must, silenced > most, pitiful, cowardice, all, should, every last one of us, ever, surrendered, tyranny, fighting, capitulate, cower, fear > my own country, America; disgusts, good men, put down their lives, secure, blessings, liberty, lack, confidence, c…
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's just that there's a lot of dramatic and hyperbolic words and phrases in there, here's a list from a quick pass: > religion, anyone, conviction, enemy, must, silenced > most, pitiful, cowardice, all, should, every last one of us, ever, surrendered, tyranny, fighting, capitulate, cower, fear > my own country, America; disgusts, good men, put down their lives, secure, blessings, liberty, lack, confidence, c…
Dramatic is the right tone here. We are seeing the collapse of intellectual freedom and openness in the places where it was supposed to be valued most. This does not bode well for our civilization. My generation, the millennials, holds free speech in much lower regard than previous generations. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millen... . Everyone who values freedom should be very alarmed.
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#29When moral relativism is your religion, anyone with moral conviction is your enemy and must be silenced. What's most pitiful is the cowardice displayed by all who should know better. University trustees and professors, business leaders, entertainers, and every last one of us who has ever surrendered to this tyranny in our schools, our jobs, or our communities. Instead of fighting back, we capitulate and cower in fear…
Okay, I'm lost: why the downvotes? This sounds like reasonable comment, even useful (the first sentence is a good summary of the article's subject). I see no attack to any particular group. What in this comment could possibly rub HN the wrong way?
Re: The idea of a university as a free space rather than a safe space is vanishing
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "One small step for a man or a womyn, one giant leap for man- and womyn-kind". I think I could get that one through even toughest SJW language police. What do you think? I think "the SJW language police" probably know that Neil Armstrong is not a "womyn".
You caught me. I was indulging in a little hyperbole.