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Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by twic »

thisone wrote: post #90
antouank wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good shout. And 120k GBP sounds like a lot. Is it supposed to be USD? Or is he converting a contractor's daily rate to a perm's salary?

£120k is a hell of a lot. I've got to assume that's been translated into dollars. Being the internet someone will tell me that "everyone in London with at least 2 years experience makes that, easy", but yeah, that number is high for a country where the Home Office considers £35k to be a fair reflection of skilled salaries.

On the subject of conversion, there are currently three jobs in central London. The salaries are 58000, 59331, and 70000. 59331 USD is 40999.97 GBP at the moment, so that's someone earning £41k who's converted properly. The others are round numbers, which suggests to me that they're in GBP and haven't been converted.

Not sure what to make of the fact that it's the two people with the highest salaries who didn't read the instructions.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by negrit »

Gratsby wrote: post #116
negrit wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Green Cards :)

True. At first glance, I didn't think that part of the data was relevant to me, but I found myself digging into companies that I had experience with and their h1/green card ratios and how many h1 were in place. There are definite cultural differences between companies that seem to come through in the numbers. I did find a few that have their numbers somewhat hidden - with different company names that you wouldn't sea…

Out of curiosity could you define spammy? People call Glassdoor spammy, is it because there is too much advertising or because they force user to register in order to see more data?

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by aioprisan »

300bps wrote: post #149
marssaxman wrote: post #94

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I think I would enjoy the experience of daring assholes like that to fire me.

If they're smart they'll just find a legal reason to fire you. Ever surf the web for personal reasons at work? Every use your personal mobile on work time? There are so many rules that people violate every day without repercussion until the company needs a reason to get rid of them.

What kind of company do you work at that has such rules explicitly spelled out? What's the procedure for firing someone based on that data? Don't they need proof of such activities? Does your workplace have cameras and sound recording at all times trained on their employees? If you do and you don't enjoy that, then maybe it's time to look for something else?

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by firewalkwithme »

sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

Sometimes I feel I make more than I should. But I got there by identifying a need, proving myself for long periods of time, and convincing my employer I was completely necessary for the company. And I truly believe I am. It's all a game - It's a SALE! you are selling yourself at the highest possible price

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by coralreef »

sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

Will you always be earning more than your peers? When it times come for a promotion or job switch, how will you research your worth?

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by negrit »

CydeWeys wrote: post #47
negrit wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal foreign workers are required by law to have the same salary than U.S. workers so it's relevant. >I'm searching for companies all of the search results are coming up in all lowercase. This is not a good user experience. You should style the companies using the same case that they themselves do. The data come from government records and it's all in uppercase.

And murders are illegal by law, so they never happen. There's entire companies whose raison d'etre is to provide foreign IT labor at cheaper prices. And they aren't held accountable for it, unlike murders; those at least are generally followed up on. Here's a source: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3004501/h1b/proof-that-h-1b... By the way, it'd be worth spending some time sanitizing your data so that it displays co…

  >There's entire companies whose raison d'etre is to provide foreign IT labor at cheaper prices.
Then don't look at those companies. However for example Netflix seem they foreign employee very well.

  > And they aren't held accountable for it, unlike murders; those at least are generally followed up on.
That's not true. They are often being investigated. But you're right the should be punished a lot more.

  > By the way, it'd be worth spending some time sanitizing your data so that it displays correctly.
I'm already spending a lot of time doing it. The work is massive :)

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by sordina »

sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

I don't know any general answers, but here are some scenarios:

* Your colleague who did not realise that they were being highly underpaid gets a reasonable offer from another company and leaves. They were a lynchpin in the organisation and the whole company goes under. You now earn zero salary. If they were more aware of others salaries within your company they may have renegotiated and stayed.

* After years of hidden salaries within the company, some colleagues salaries are leaked. What was previously imagined to be an equitable workplace is now exposed to be highly inequitable. This is felt to be a betrayal of trust by many and sows discontent within the company. The previously happy workplace is now a minefield of distrust and back-room back-stabbing. Now everyone is stressed. This situation would have never arisen if salaries were disclosed from the start.

* An elite of skilled negotiators emerges within the company that far out-earns the contingent of members whose domain-skills would grant them the greater reward in a meritocracy. This leads to a bozo-effect as they rise in the ranks due to greater financial freedom. Nobody can quite pinpoint where it all started going wrong. This transition would have been transparent in a disclosed-salary scenario, and would have been suppressed.

* Your conscience is plagued by guilt about the possibility that you might be robbing your equally deserving peers of their share of the pie. You don't sleep so well. If you knew that they were earning the same as you you could sleep better.

You get the idea.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by bigtunacan »

sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

Why should someone more qualified make less just because they are a bad negotiator or just unaware of what everyone makes?

Employers typically want this information because as a whole it is in their favor, not the employees' favor to keep this information from being disclosed.

I have experience working in both the private and public sector.

Private sector salaries (USA) are typically not publicly disclosed and companies often have policies forbidding disclosure despite laws that say this is not enforceable.

Public sector typically is disclosed so anyone can just look it up.

My experience has been it is more difficult to negotiate salaries when salaries are not disclosed. In the negotiation it is very beneficial to show relative value and say, "I am more productive than 80% of the team, but getting paid at the median, so I deserve a raise." When salaries are unknown the company can more easily make claims that they just can't give you a raise because it wouldn't be fair to everyone else etc... You can always move to a different company, but if you aren't wanting to make a move that is not helpful.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by sosuke »

sordina wrote: post #157
sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

I don't know any general answers, but here are some scenarios: * Your colleague who did not realise that they were being highly underpaid gets a reasonable offer from another company and leaves. They were a lynchpin in the organisation and the whole company goes under. You now earn zero salary. If they were more aware of others salaries within your company they may have renegotiated and stayed. * After years of hidde…

Those seem reasonable. I enjoyed reading your scenarios regardless; they felt like the choose your own adventure books.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

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Post by aantix »

bigtunacan wrote: post #158
sosuke wrote: post #150

If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've not yet read a reason for the top paid people to talk about their salary. It seems they would have more to risk than gain and it would hurt them in the next negotiation. Not having spoken about my salary I've got no idea if I make more or less.…

Why should someone more qualified make less just because they are a bad negotiator or just unaware of what everyone makes? Employers typically want this information because as a whole it is in their favor, not the employees' favor to keep this information from being disclosed. I have experience working in both the private and public sector. Private sector salaries (USA) are typically not publicly disclosed and compan…

You really don't want to negotiate against the other open salaries.

Know your worth; if the product you work on brings millions to the table for the company and you are the lead dev, who gives a rap if your introverted programming partner is making 100k?

Know your value. Quantify yourself. Negotiate from the value you bring. Otherwise you're leaving that analysis up to someone else and their offer certainly isn't going to favor you.

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