Live data from Hacker News

Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

honestsalary.com

31–40 of 204 posts

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#31

Just posted this to the other discussion, but it bears just the same. This is just going to be a collection of anecdotes from people who self-select to report because they feel good about where they're at, or because they feel righteously justified in complaining about their situation. Self-selection ruins the data. The responses have to be random to be useful. And the silly thing is that most people who are involved…

It's not actually that bad.

First, even in your version, the "feel goods" (high salaries) and the "complainers" (low salaries) would cancel each other out, and (assuming equal numbers of them) will give us a usable median value.

But in the real world is more complicated than "self-selection" in the basic mode you describe.

Who might "feel good" and who might feel "justified in complaining" will not be so much based on the salary, but more on the person and their personality (which we can assume are evenly distributed among salaries).

In other words, it won't only be actually great salaries that are reported from people "feeling good", nor only low salaries reported from people "justified in complaining". And then you'll also have people that regardless if they consider their salary high or low, they want transparency etc, and report their salaries.

The end median result, given enough samples, would be a useful, if not 100% accurate, representation of the situation.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#32
post #29

Needs: 1) A currency field to make this globally applicable. 2) Clarification text that salaries are gross, not net. 3) Ability to select some base benefits: health, eye, dental, travel costs, etc

401(k) matching details would be nice. My job has 50% match, no limit, so that's another free $9K per year on top of my salary, which is quite significant.

The best way to represent this field would be "How much does the company contribute per year if you max out your contribution?" And maybe also a field for number of years to vest. Fortunately my company is 0 for that.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#33

Just posted this to the other discussion, but it bears just the same. This is just going to be a collection of anecdotes from people who self-select to report because they feel good about where they're at, or because they feel righteously justified in complaining about their situation. Self-selection ruins the data. The responses have to be random to be useful. And the silly thing is that most people who are involved…

Salary.com, glassdoor and other resources are not random but they are useful.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#34

Just posted this to the other discussion, but it bears just the same. This is just going to be a collection of anecdotes from people who self-select to report because they feel good about where they're at, or because they feel righteously justified in complaining about their situation. Self-selection ruins the data. The responses have to be random to be useful. And the silly thing is that most people who are involved…

My company had a similar spreadsheet internally that was self-selected and it was incredibly useful. I found that I had come in at the low range for my pay band and got a $10K raise in the next annual salary review.

It's anonymous. I'm not sure why you think it'd be so susceptible to bragging or complaining. A lot of people, me included, are data nerds, and will contribute to the dataset regardless of our personal situation simply because we want the data to be as accurate as possible.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#35

As a transgender person, I won't fill it out unless I have the option to opt out of gender identification or select "other" for gender. I'm not alone. http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx http://associationdatabase.com/aws/NCDA/pt/sd/news_article/1... http://www.autostraddle.com/facebook-wants-you-to-do-you-add...

There are MILLIONS of forms like that all over the internet.

Is that really the first criticism that comes to mind when discussing this very specific endeavor?

Heck, I'm a male, but often put female in forms, just to not give marketeers my info...

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#36
post #10
post #7

If you're a new grad a good place to look at is your school's salary survey. For both MIT and CMU with just a BS the median starting salary is 105k (you have to be bottom half of the class to make less than that!) https://gecd.mit.edu/sites/default/files/documents/2015-gss-... Min: $70,000 Max: $185,000 Mean: $106,407 https://www.cmu.edu/career/salaries-and-destinations/2015-su... Min: $30,000 Max: $150,000 Mean: $10…

Who is getting 185k with just a BS from MIT?

I'm in New York, where the SWE landscape is a combination of traditional big tech companies and finance companies. The latter will pay you a lot, but at the cost of working you to death for it. Finance is not a good field for anyone who wants a life outside of work. The tech companies seem to do much better with work/life balance.

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#37
post #5

Very US centric. No currency field? Not everyone expresses wages in amount/year. Are these amounts before tax? After tax?

>Very US centric.

Well, it WAS made from Americans, and for US use first and foremost.

>Not everyone expresses wages in amount/year.

But everyone knows how to multiply, e.g. by 12.

The currency field might be legit (through extra work for no benefit: it's easy to convert to USD, and wages aren't really comparable between countries anyway, as they depend on the cost of living and national economy).

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#38
post #6

There is already a ton of websites to check salaries. Glassdoor is the most famous one and I made http://data.jobsintech.io last year.

The one you made seems completely focused on foreign workers. What am I missing? At first glance it does not appear to be of any relevance to me.

Also, and this is a usability complaint, but when I'm searching for companies all of the search results are coming up in all lowercase. This is not a good user experience. You should style the companies using the same case that they themselves do. The use of "llc" is particularly bad, as is completely lowercasing companies whose names are acronyms, e.g. "ibm". See this list for what I mean: http://data.jobsintech.io/companies

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#39
post #35

As a transgender person, I won't fill it out unless I have the option to opt out of gender identification or select "other" for gender. I'm not alone. http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx http://associationdatabase.com/aws/NCDA/pt/sd/news_article/1... http://www.autostraddle.com/facebook-wants-you-to-do-you-add...

There are MILLIONS of forms like that all over the internet. Is that really the first criticism that comes to mind when discussing this very specific endeavor? Heck, I'm a male, but often put female in forms, just to not give marketeers my info...

It's a useful criticism.

In the UK current best practice (although it's still changing) would be to have two questions: one asking about gender identity and another asking about gender reassignment.

Someone born as male who identifies as female should need to tick "other", they should be able to tick "female".

Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours

#40
post #2

Hey if the creator is here -- you should write "optional" or mark which fields are compulsory ... or somehow indicate it's all optional. I was hesitant to enter the "Employer" details because the combination of all this info would make me personally identifiable ... I abandoned the site, but then came back after thinking "maybe it's optional" most people wouldn't come back!

thanks great feedback it has been updated.
Post reply on HN