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Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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Related anecdote: a friend of mine is an engineer that builds and operates glass factories all around the world, mostly producing bottles for beer, wine, and liquor. One of his company's factories was in Venezuela, and while he was there working, Chavez et co decided to nationalize that industry because they were "forcing unfair labor conditions." The company rushed to get every American out of the country before the…

Isn't it possible that the Americans sabotaged the factory on their way out?

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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Here in Tasmania we're not at the shut down stage yet, but it's something no one wants to talk about. They're not asking residents to shutdown yet, but if things continue the way they are, who knows. The major companies/power users are currently being rationed (Aluminium smelters, paper mills etc) The state relies on hydro-electric power, and last year sold off a lot of its "excess" power to Victoria via the Basslink…

> I was unlucky enough to be with one of the ISPs who didn't provision enough backhaul connectivity on the other network cables, so my 100mbit fibre internet now looks something like a 1998 dialup connection

Shouldn't this be handled by the NBN? I thought fibre was supposed to be run by NBNco so we wouldn't have to deal with these issues ever again.

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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post #40

Here in Tasmania we're not at the shut down stage yet, but it's something no one wants to talk about. They're not asking residents to shutdown yet, but if things continue the way they are, who knows. The major companies/power users are currently being rationed (Aluminium smelters, paper mills etc) The state relies on hydro-electric power, and last year sold off a lot of its "excess" power to Victoria via the Basslink…

> I was unlucky enough to be with one of the ISPs who didn't provision enough backhaul connectivity on the other network cables, so my 100mbit fibre internet now looks something like a 1998 dialup connection Shouldn't this be handled by the NBN? I thought fibre was supposed to be run by NBNco so we wouldn't have to deal with these issues ever again.

As far as I understand, their infrastructure is from the home/street to the exchanges. Major backhaul links are still done via individual ISPs, the net result of which is vastly differing NBN performance between providers.

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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post #8

Related anecdote: a friend of mine is an engineer that builds and operates glass factories all around the world, mostly producing bottles for beer, wine, and liquor. One of his company's factories was in Venezuela, and while he was there working, Chavez et co decided to nationalize that industry because they were "forcing unfair labor conditions." The company rushed to get every American out of the country before the…

A similar thing happened in Zimbabwe. Using a race-based system, they changed control of farms from one set of people to another (with rather strong rhetoric about how certain people would never be welcome again). Turns out a bit of experience was required, so they had to back down on that position: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwe-seized-... The article indicates that Zimbabwe went from being an…

Venezuela has gone after farms as well. Similar results.

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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post #8

Related anecdote: a friend of mine is an engineer that builds and operates glass factories all around the world, mostly producing bottles for beer, wine, and liquor. One of his company's factories was in Venezuela, and while he was there working, Chavez et co decided to nationalize that industry because they were "forcing unfair labor conditions." The company rushed to get every American out of the country before the…

Literally Atlas Shrugged. What was the name of the company?

Sounds like this http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/27/world/la-fg-venezuel...

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nazi Party, even though it has "socialism" and "workers" in its title, is not considered to be a form of Socialism (nor, for that matter, to be pro workers) I hate getting down in the weeds on this, but its "not considered socialism" by those on the left who are embarrassed that the Nazis were pretty much a command economy and have socialism in its name.

I don't think Nazism is considered a form of Socialism by pretty much any reputable source; only some in the anti-Left fringe do. A planned economy alone is not enough to classify a system as socialist, and anyway Nazism had enough elements of private property and corporatism. The Nazis, like in many other aspects, were equivocating by calling themselves socialists -- not that they particularly liked the term themsel…

So if a command economy isn't enough, perhaps it has to actually represent a form of community control, do you believe the USSR was any more socialist? What makes something actually socialist?

The understanding I've developed of socialism is of worker ownership of the means of production. The state at best can only claim to somehow speak for the workers in a top down manner, and I think that inevitably fails. (Which is not to say I'm advocating it here in a decentralized form but I'm much more sympathetic)

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter how you to try to spin it. The vast scale of the horrors inflicted on humanity because of authoritarian socialism is well known and won't just go away.

I never denied them, so I don't know what you're driving at. I just don't think that being "horrified" at the excesses of only one extreme on the ideological spectrum -- whilst remaining indifferent (or willfully oblivious) to the skeletons in one's own ideological basement -- makes for a particularly useful or instructive view of the world.

The problem is that there are no real horrors of say libertarianism compared to the 100 million or so that were slaughtered, starved to death, enslaved, whatever..in the name of socialism.

At some point in time you have to deal with the reality that there isn't equivocation. I know some people have hard times dealing with it, and thus always pull the trick of "but look over here at this". It just doesn't work, but people don't seem to understand that it doesn't work.

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nazi Party, even though it has "socialism" and "workers" in its title, is not considered to be a form of Socialism (nor, for that matter, to be pro workers). Not that it matters much, but the only mention of Nazism in the Wikipedia article you linked doesn't refer to it as a form of socialism.

The Nazi Party, even though it has "socialism" and "workers" in its title, is not considered to be a form of Socialism (nor, for that matter, to be pro workers) I hate getting down in the weeds on this, but its "not considered socialism" by those on the left who are embarrassed that the Nazis were pretty much a command economy and have socialism in its name.

I figure it's akin to North Korea being "Democratic" - it's in the name right? ;)

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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I remember back when parts of California would shut down for an afternoon to deal with an electricity crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis Strange times.

Caused by Fraudulent Enron employees. Not because of lack of supply.

I saw a really good presentation on Charlie Rose by one of the main guys who was part of the electric privatization in the Mid-Atlantic States ... months if not years before the California Dereg, and he predicted it chapter and verse.

The Enron story was a great one ( even senior management could not control those traders ) but ... context. And I knew a couple guys from MCI. who had been absorbed by Enron and they weren't a part of that at all.

Re: Venezuela to Shut Down for a Week to Cope With Electricity Crisis

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> there is only one word. Corruption The word I would use is Socialism. They are of course related.

Not all socialisms are the same. Some work ...fairly well. It should be clear that there's been a big Dutch Disease/Resource Curse problem in Venezuela.

Obviously, the politics didn't help.

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