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'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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I totally agree, but I think that anti discrimination acts in housing, employment set the tone for the rest of society. If a gay wheelie can't be hired by a Fortune 500 company, what message does that send to everyone/the rest of the world?

What's a gay wheelie ?

somebody who is really happy with his wheelchair

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

#22
post #7

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Damn straight on the employment thing. Suspension is reasonable in certain cases (say you work in a bank and are suspected of fraud) But sacking? Hell no.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

They should have to right to fire him, but first they should ask him:

  - Did you do it?
  - Do you have any evidence that you are innocent?
  - What is the evidence against you?
They should think about whether they believe he did it. In some cases that will mean firing people who are only accused and that won't be immoral.

In this case, if they just talked to him for a bit and gave him a few days to investigate and gather evidence, they could have avoided firing him.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn straight on the employment thing. Suspension is reasonable in certain cases (say you work in a bank and are suspected of fraud) But sacking? Hell no.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

>You should be able to fire someone for any reason.

I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn straight on the employment thing. Suspension is reasonable in certain cases (say you work in a bank and are suspected of fraud) But sacking? Hell no.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

Morality doesn't come into it. Morality is just a different set of laws. If they are just laws, they should become laws of the land; if they are unjust - and a lot of "morality" is intrinsically illiberal - then they should not be. That's why we have rule of law in the first place, rather than rule by church and theologians.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

> You should be able to fire someone for any reason. I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.

You can't fire people based on race, creed, age, or gender, and you can't fire them for not having sex with you. There are laws against those things, those things specifically, and almost exclusively those things.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

> You should be able to fire someone for any reason. I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.

If you don't like Jewish people and it's your company you shouldn't have to work with them. It will only hurt you as you are limiting your labor pool to non-Jewish people, and this is the same for any other form of discrimination.

The only place that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government since they represent all people.

Freedom of association is the key hear, you should be able t o associate with anyone you'd like to and vice-versa. Now I'm of course not advocating any sort of discrimination, but I do think it should be allowed. Just as I don't advocate hate speech, but I think it should be allowed.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree, but I think that anti discrimination acts in housing, employment set the tone for the rest of society. If a gay wheelie can't be hired by a Fortune 500 company, what message does that send to everyone/the rest of the world?

What's a gay wheelie ?

A wheelchair-bound homosexual.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

#29
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should be able to fire someone for any reason. I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.

If you don't like Jewish people and it's your company you shouldn't have to work with them. It will only hurt you as you are limiting your labor pool to non-Jewish people, and this is the same for any other form of discrimination. The only place that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government since they represent all people. Freedom of association is the key hear, you should be able t o associate with an…

Firing Jewish people doesn't just hurt the bigoted employer, it hurts the people wrongfully fired, too! There is something appealing to letting everyone keep to whatever groups they wish, but historically the idea has led to horrible things for the shunned groups.

Re: 'I was falsely branded a paedophile'

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What's a gay wheelie ?

A wheelchair-bound homosexual.

Ah ok, that makes sense now. I've never seen wheel chair users labeled 'wheelie' before, I thought that was a motor cycle stunt.

Thanks!

edit: I wonder what earned you the down-mod, you simply answered my question in a way that seems to make sense in the original context.

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