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Re: Being a Female Developer

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Post by craigvn »

tracker1 wrote: post #16
arvinsim wrote: post #8

> Spend weekends and late nights in front of your computer, laying down lines of code, debugging and developing your personal projects. This is the only thing I disagree with. Although this would be good for your career, it does not work for all types of people.

If you're just starting out, and not doing this, you won't get very far, at least not very fast... if just starting out is in school, or out... It takes at least 5 years to master any skill/craft... and even then given the churn in tech, specifically with development, you have to put more in to get to a good point. I don't do as much on my own time as I used to... but I absolutely did for the first decade of my caree…

If you are not doing personal projects or work on the side you will never be top 5-10% of devs. But the majority of devs are building reports and doing maintenance for some fortune 500 insurance co, they are doing fine.

Re: Being a Female Developer

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Post by profeta »

wmsiler wrote: post #20

Unlike most of the other commenters, I'm not a huge fan of this article. From the article, it seems the author hasn't really experienced much, if any, gender discrimination at work. That's great; it really is refreshing to hear stories of women in tech who are judged purely on their merits, as they should be. However, her two takeaways from her experience are, "your skills will speak louder than your gender," and, "t…

well, on the other hand, the toxic environment you describe would be also weird for men that do not want to participate on it. i still haven't found it on tech (i did when i was working on a news room, and i quit, as did a lot of people of all genders, because toxic is toxic. i will not blame the whole gender/race/religion of the few that throve there, but the individuals)

Re: Being a Female Developer

#24

Post by yoklov »

craigvn wrote: post #21
tracker1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're just starting out, and not doing this, you won't get very far, at least not very fast... if just starting out is in school, or out... It takes at least 5 years to master any skill/craft... and even then given the churn in tech, specifically with development, you have to put more in to get to a good point. I don't do as much on my own time as I used to... but I absolutely did for the first decade of my caree…

If you are not doing personal projects or work on the side you will never be top 5-10% of devs. But the majority of devs are building reports and doing maintenance for some fortune 500 insurance co, they are doing fine.

If you're trying to impress with your skills, you should aim to be in the 1st group, rather than the 2nd.

Re: Being a Female Developer

#25

Post by mattlondon »

arvinsim wrote: post #8

> Spend weekends and late nights in front of your computer, laying down lines of code, debugging and developing your personal projects. This is the only thing I disagree with. Although this would be good for your career, it does not work for all types of people.

If you really enjoy what you do, you'll find yourself sucked into doing this in your spare time anyway.

For a lot of us, we're really blessed to do something that we actually enjoy.

Re: Being a Female Developer

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Post by mattlondon »

wmsiler wrote: post #20

Unlike most of the other commenters, I'm not a huge fan of this article. From the article, it seems the author hasn't really experienced much, if any, gender discrimination at work. That's great; it really is refreshing to hear stories of women in tech who are judged purely on their merits, as they should be. However, her two takeaways from her experience are, "your skills will speak louder than your gender," and, "t…

Fan or not, increasing awareness of the issue and getting people to become more aware of any unconscious biases they hold is crucial.

The fact you're reading it, digesting it, and we're discussing it can only be a positive thing.

Re: Being a Female Developer

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Post by Bahamut »

yoklov wrote: post #24
craigvn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are not doing personal projects or work on the side you will never be top 5-10% of devs. But the majority of devs are building reports and doing maintenance for some fortune 500 insurance co, they are doing fine.

If you're trying to impress with your skills, you should aim to be in the 1st group, rather than the 2nd.

While that's true, not everyone is looking for that in their career was the point of the post you replied to. Every person has different career goals.

Re: Being a Female Developer

#28

Post by groovy2shoes »

wmsiler wrote: post #20

Unlike most of the other commenters, I'm not a huge fan of this article. From the article, it seems the author hasn't really experienced much, if any, gender discrimination at work. That's great; it really is refreshing to hear stories of women in tech who are judged purely on their merits, as they should be. However, her two takeaways from her experience are, "your skills will speak louder than your gender," and, "t…

I agree. At the same time, I get the feeling that the west coast must be a very different place compared to the east coast. I've worked for six different employers in the tech scene here on the east coast, and I've yet to see any sort of gender discrimination in the workplace. I'm not denying that it happens, because I'm sure that it does. But either it's far more frequent or much more overt in other parts of the world.

Re: Being a Female Developer

#29

Post by vacri »

rjzzleep wrote: post #10

This is decent view, which is extremely rare when it comes to the topic at hand. From my perspective I am a person that throughout the majority of my life has been considered turkish in germany because of my looks, until people get to know my actual heritage. Yet in the US I'm just considered a random white guy. In Germany turkish are not really considered a minority and the degratory terms are overlayed by more and…

It's a bit similar here in Australia - you can have a team that is made from anglos, greeks, and russians, and it's "not diverse" because all the faces are white.

Re: Being a Female Developer

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Post by arvinsim »

yoklov wrote: post #24
craigvn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are not doing personal projects or work on the side you will never be top 5-10% of devs. But the majority of devs are building reports and doing maintenance for some fortune 500 insurance co, they are doing fine.

If you're trying to impress with your skills, you should aim to be in the 1st group, rather than the 2nd.

I don't know why you are downvoted. It is just a matter of what you want in your career.

To get to the top, you need to put in the extra effort.

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