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Ask HN: Helping a dev who drinks?

#1
I work with a senior system developer who drinks.

Basically, he's an alcoholic. He's in his mid 50s. He wasn't always like this. He started drinking a lot when some of his family members died unexpectedly in an accident.

The thing is, when he is drinking, he can code things that no one else on staff can do quickly. For example, he once implemented a hash table in about an hour because we had a platform that did not have a C++11 compiler (no unordered set) and needed that data structure.

It's kind of frightening to stand behind him, watch him run vi and start editing code. Inside, I'm terrified that he's going to make a mistake. I'm thinking that he should not be touching code when he's like this. But as he starts to edit the files, it's somewhat amazing. I and the others stand and watch in awe as he types so fast we can barely follow. It's not that we don't understand what he's doing, it's that he's typing so fast. Then, he compiles it and it works as expected and he tells us about a few possible issues, etc. and leaves.

We have to get him a ride home, help him walk to the door and have an intern walk him to his apartment so that he doesn't go in the wrong place. Then, a few days later, he comes back to the office like nothing has happened.

He's a really nice person. Very polite and self deprecating always giving credit to others on the team and mentoring the young guys (he's not an ass). We want to keep him on staff and we need his knowledge and all the guys love him. Just not sure how to approach him about this issue.

Has anyone else dealt with a similar situation?

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#3
FWIW, alcoholism may be considered a disability in your region (it is in Canada and protected under Charter of Rights and Freedoms), and that will make things a bit tricky HR-wise. If you're going to take any actions, keep that in mind.

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#4

Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know. http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf

Person might not be religious.

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#6

Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know. http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf

Person might not be religious.

That's true, on the other hand I know several people who have greatly benefited and who weren't religious. (It seems that unless someone is strongly anti-spiritual, it could be good.)

(YMMV of course.)

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#7
I can't really comment much since I've never had to deal with an issue anywhere close to this, but as a random thought, isn't this something his family would ideally action on?

To me it seems great that you are helping him by not allowing him to drive, etc. especially if he is a nice person, but I would think that this might be a a little off your reach.

I'm definitely not trying to discourage you but at least where I live, people take it very personal when you try to talk with them about issues/addictions they might have, so I might be biased, but as harsh as this sounds I don't think you can push him too much on this. His grief is probably (and understandably so) too much to bear.

The only thing that comes to mind is going to a psychologist/psychiatrist specialized in addictions and ask him for some advice on how to approach him.

In any case, good luck. It seems terrible to me that he has to suffer through this and it's really nice that you want to help him. Just be careful on not stepping into something you might not be prepared nor trained to deal with.

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#8
Sounds like a tricky situation. I don't have any special insight into this, but if I was the person drinking heavily I'd probably find it easier to talk about it outside the work environment, and I probably wouldn't want to talk about it if I didn't know the other person that well.

I guess what I'm saying is that it'll take a friend to help him get through it. If one of your colleagues spends time with him outside work, perhaps they can help you understand what the senior developer is going through.

The other option is to cut down on alcohol in the office, but whilst that's the simplest solution it might cause other issues.

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#9

Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know. http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf

The TV show Bullshit, written and hosted by Penn & Teller, did a show on AA. AA accidentally posted their recidivity rates on the internet and the numbers were shown. They showed that there was zero advantage of going to AA. That doesn't say alcoholics don't feel better when going.

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#10
The bottom line is you can't help anyone who doesn't want help. I think as coworkers, you're already going above and beyond having an intern escort him home, and it's great that you're not allowing him to drive drunk, but anything you do won't do any good until he decides he has a problem and wants help from you.
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