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FBI Wants It to Be Impractical to Deploy Strong Encryption Without Key Escrow

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Every local police department will be able to break strong encryption at their own discretion. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is an inevitability.

Let that sink in before we consider the validity of their proposal.

Their escapades will not be limited to criminal investigations, but whatever they want. There will be no oversight and access will be unlimited.

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post #14

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How many people can be bothered if it's not a turnkey solution?

Like I said it's not about the average person, it's about someone with something to hide. Those with something to hide will always go the extra distance. The issue I take with the FBI approach is it will have no effect on those that have stuff to hide but destroy any semblance privacy for those that don't. Terrorists will use GPG, citizens will use their backdoored iPhone full disk encryption and everyone but the ter…

I'll just leave this here: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/tor-harvard-bomb-suspect/

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post #66

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A warrant is just as effective against nearly all safes. I have little doubt that if a safe was in FBI custody as long as the San Bernardino shooter's phone has been, the FBI would have been able to legally and physically get whatever was inside. The FBI simply wants the digital world to mirror the physical world and a 100% unbreakable physical lock is almost impossible to produce in the physical world. It is easy to…

> the FBI would have been able to legally and physically get whatever was inside. What if the safe has a self-destruct mechanism for the contents in case of breach?

And what if government agencies bought that safe to handle classified material because it was certified to have met or exceeded the standards for handling such data. Then the FBI forces the safe manufacturer to make a way to get into the safe. Now the other agency can come after the manufacturer for lying to them during the procurement process because there is demonstrably a way for an unauthorized person to break into the safe.

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post #82

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> If we enact rent controls and mandate the construction of below-market rate housing units, it'll help people afford housing. To be fair, this does in fact help many people afford housing. It just doesn't fix the endemic issue.

These are political favors to local interest groups. It actively hurts the ability to find housing for everyone not blessed by the powers that be. Dense housing is affordable housing. When there's an empty apartment that you're moving into, where do you think the old resident moved to? There's only a few options - a new place got built that they moved into, the old resident died, the old resident moved out of the hou…

> the problem is that there's X people who want to live in the area, and only Y housing units

I don't think this is the same problem you would address by rent control.

> Handing out political favors so that the people who vote for you don't feel this reality isn't solving the problem: only building more housing will.

And yet, there are many people living in rent-controlled housing who would disagree with you. The person and problems you're painting do not exist outside your head.

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post #146

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These are political favors to local interest groups. It actively hurts the ability to find housing for everyone not blessed by the powers that be. Dense housing is affordable housing. When there's an empty apartment that you're moving into, where do you think the old resident moved to? There's only a few options - a new place got built that they moved into, the old resident died, the old resident moved out of the hou…

> the problem is that there's X people who want to live in the area, and only Y housing units I don't think this is the same problem you would address by rent control. > Handing out political favors so that the people who vote for you don't feel this reality isn't solving the problem: only building more housing will. And yet, there are many people living in rent-controlled housing who would disagree with you. The per…

>I don't think this is the same problem you would address by rent control.

Of course not. Rent control is fundamentally a tool for getting political benefits at the expense of economic ones. It explicitly creates winners in the voting district that implements it at the cost of losers everywhere else. It's in the same moral class as dumping toxic waste into a river.

>And yet, there are many people living in rent-controlled housing who would disagree with you.

I'm not at all surprised that the beneficiaries of political favors support handing out those favors.

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post #136

Remember how New York’s (physical) master keys became easily accessible[1] despite the fact that they were supposedly so carefully managed? All that effort, all that trouble, and now not only is there essentially no security at all but the master keys created a security hole that did not need to exist. The security of encryption is similarly proportional to the security of keys. The fewer things you have to secure, t…

Although not in favor of key escrow systems, I'm not convinced that they cannot be implemented in a secure fashion. There are fundamental differences between physical keys and digital key that make analogies between the two unconvincing to me. With a physical master key, all it takes is one possessor of a copy of the key to agree in order to get access to what the key is protecting, or compromising one possessor. Wit…

At best you are only going to be able to patch the security hole that having key escrow has created though. You can never to better than that, and it's quite likely that the system would be less than 100% secure in practice.

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post #31

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Interesting article. I find amusing this (quite popular) type of argumentation: > "This is a serious security breach," said Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens), who heads the Council's Public Safety Committee. "We know terrorists are planning to attack our subways, and the MTA and NYPD better find these magical morons quickly, and then make them disappear for a year in jail." Like the only thing between terrorists an…

But that is so revealing of the mindset. * We can have strong encryption just for the good guys * We can have master keys that only approved staff will use * We can block all the bad things on the internet and it'll be like they don't exist * If we have a back door into an encrypted device, only the good guys will use it It's like no politician ever read about crime. Staff can't be blackmailed or bribed. No one worki…

"It's like no politician ever read about crime. Staff can't be blackmailed or bribed. "

More likely they know their audience (most voters) don't know about crime, terrorism and encryption to know how bad the plans are.

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post #146

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> the problem is that there's X people who want to live in the area, and only Y housing units I don't think this is the same problem you would address by rent control. > Handing out political favors so that the people who vote for you don't feel this reality isn't solving the problem: only building more housing will. And yet, there are many people living in rent-controlled housing who would disagree with you. The per…

>I don't think this is the same problem you would address by rent control. Of course not. Rent control is fundamentally a tool for getting political benefits at the expense of economic ones. It explicitly creates winners in the voting district that implements it at the cost of losers everywhere else. It's in the same moral class as dumping toxic waste into a river. >And yet, there are many people living in rent-contr…

> Rent control is fundamentally a tool for getting political benefits at the expense of economic ones. It explicitly creates winners in the voting district that implements it at the cost of losers everywhere else. It's in the same moral class as dumping toxic waste into a river.

I'd love to hear the argument for this. Again, many people living in rent-controlled houses would disagree. Just because people are poor you cannot write them off as votes.

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