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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Agreed. Where do the shills like shanselman go when you actually have a genuine criticism?

Please stop making new accounts to break the HN guidelines with.

We've banned this account for making a trollish personal attack, and detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11285710 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

> people here commenting very strongly in favour of Microsoft, which I find very surprising. Perhaps people from MS trying to do damage control

I realize you didn't mean to, but this triggered a whole off-topic discussion about imaginary astroturfing, vote-brigading, and shilling.

When we see evidence of these behaviors we crack down on them hard. But people are far too ready (by at least an order of magnitude, probably two) to impute this behavior to others merely because they have an opposing opinion. That's not evidence, and the discussion should never go there on that (non-)basis.

All: if you suspect astroturfing in HN threads, please let us know at hn@ycombinator.com so we can investigate, and please don't go on about it in the threads unless there's real evidence. An opposing opinion is not evidence!

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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As the lead developer of the Slack Windows app, this move is absolutely phenomenal for me. Win7 is a huge proportion of our support tickets and causes us no end of grief. To put what these Windows users are doing in perspective, Windows users are holding onto an OS that was released at the same time as OS X 10.6, and not only doing it, but demanding that developers support this version. If you asked any Cocoa develop…

This isn't about you as the Slack Windows app developer.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Why is this a big deal? Why should MSFT not do this? Here are a couple of reasons why... Perhaps the machine hardware is not Win10 compliant Perhaps a machine hosts software that requires significant regression testing before permitting an upgrade to Win10 Perhaps the machine's software is not Win10 compatible and needs to be rewritten before a Win10 upgrade Perhaps the machine in question has specific greenzone peri…

The upgrade notification system does make the effort to check against known-bad hardware and software, including 3rd party software, and will warn and/or block the upgrade if it's known to be incompatible. As for managed machines, most won't be eligible for the upgrade to begin with (domain joined, Windows 7 Enterprise), and the upgrade can be blocked entirely via Group Policy or WSUS. Any sensibly managed machine in…

My small sample of machines, manufacturer says machine not compatible, MSFT still prompted me to install win10. If they are actually checking HW compatibility they are doing a shitty job. Which means they shouldn't be rolling anything out in this fashion.

On Reddit I read about medical devices getting automatically upgraded when needed for a procedure. Maybe the hospital network was badly managed but that does not excuse MSFT's auto rollout.

My point still stands that MSFT should not be automatically upgrading the OS without significant user oversight, agreement.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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At some point recently windows update on windows 7 decided to change settings from "tell you about updates and you choose when to download and install them" to "I'll download everything and nag you to death with countdown timer until you update" The most infuriating thing about that being that if you turn your computer on in the morning from hibernation go make a coffee and get some breakfast, by the time you come ba…

When you say "killed permanently", do you mean more than just disabling the service, and if so, what? I have it disabled but I don't trust Microsoft not to somehow override that.

I also disabled the service "Windows Update" in services.msc.

Interesting thign happened. I stopped the service but left it on "Automatic (Delayed Start)". Came back a while later and the service was magicall restarted. Could have been anticipated by me. So I stopped the service again and set it to "Manual". Came back a while later and, you guessed it, Windows Update service was restarted. So I now set it to "deactivated". That was yesterday. I am really curoous to see if it still comes back to life.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Maybe the way to block it is still: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 The MSFT decision to perform forced updates is covered, for example, by Extreme Tech, February 2: "Look out: Microsoft shifts Windows 10 to ‘Recommended’ update, automatic download" http://www.extremetech.com/computing/222326-look-out-micro…

Reading that KB article and Microsoft are being total dicks with such complicated instructions when they could have offered a download to a tiny program which simply allows the user to opt-out of all upgrade prompts for N months.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ Solves all W10 upgrade worries.

I'm not normally an open-source zealot, but I'd really like something a little more... auditable.

Doesn't seemed to be maintained anymore but https://github.com/rn10950/I-Dont-Want-Windows-10

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Does your father still have the laptop? If so, ask him not to use it until you can get hold of it, and when you do I'd suggest running a Linux live distro on the machine with tools to recover deleted files, there's a decent chance you'll be able to recover many of them. I've had success with the tools included in Trinity Rescue Kit before, so I can recommend that to you. I've used it to recover a bunch of pictures th…

Probably a lost cause. He had over 4K photos that he had taken in the 70s digitized from slides and organized. All that work was blown away. He has digi backups of the files, but all the organization and notes are gone. He's 77 with a quad-bypass in December, and the thought of starting over is, well, depressing for him. Not sure he's going to even try at this point.

> "He's 77 with a quad-bypass in December, and the thought of starting over is, well, depressing for him."

I'm sorry to hear that.

> "Not sure he's going to even try at this point."

I'm not suggesting he tries, I'm suggesting you try on his behalf.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, there's a chance some of it was overwritten already, though hopefully Windows 7 and Windows 10 are a similar size on disk, which would mean that it'd mostly be OS files that were overwritten (as Windows should be installed on the early sectors of the hard disk in both cases).

> as Windows should be installed on the early sectors of the hard disk in both cases) Not after enough updates.

I'm suggesting his father stops using the laptop until his son can attempt recovering the files to get around problems like this.
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