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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by justinclift »

acqq wrote: post #2

Maybe the way to block it is still: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 The MSFT decision to perform forced updates is covered, for example, by Extreme Tech, February 2: "Look out: Microsoft shifts Windows 10 to ‘Recommended’ update, automatic download" http://www.extremetech.com/computing/222326-look-out-micro…

I'm really hoping this crap badly affects the computers of some large justice/gov systems around the world (and/or the home computers of senior judges).

That should get the right people involved for sticking the boots in.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by DasIch »

ourmandave wrote: post #20
deelowe wrote: post #4

uhh. Could this not set them up for a lawsuit? I mean, I assume and argument could be made that there's some liability involved in MS screws up the installation or if some program fails to continue to function. This should be fun to watch.

I just got upgraded Saturday and the EULA specifically says that you can't bring a class action lawsuit against them. They want you to try arbitration for 60 days and if that doesn't work then you can try small claims. Yeah, sure. Anyway I had two problems afterwards. It logged me into a TEMP account so no config changes were saved and my files appeared to be all missing. They weren't, it just the shortcuts all point…

EULAs aren't legally binding in some countries because they're not disclosed before the sale. So this might protect them in the US but I could imagine it becoming a problem in other countries still.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by safepants »

ourmandave wrote: post #26
Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Strangely nobody has ever caught this on video. Just a handful of anonymous people claiming "I totally didn't hit the wrong button in the UI!!" Now, sure, I'd agree it should be harder to accidentally upgrade your PC. In particular for layman users. But I am generally skeptical that this is any more than just user error until proven otherwise. I have a Windows 7 PC I use regularly, I too get the upgrade prompts, but…

No, it's forced. I came home from work and there was pop-up window which I thought was the usual nag screen. It said my Windows 10 download was ready. Except this one had a count down timer at around 54 minutes left. There was also an option "I need more time...". I X'd the box closed and went on thinking whatever. 54 minutes later, in the middle of typing an email, the system auto rebooted and "Configuring Update fo…

Perhaps typing the email caused you to hit space bar or the return key while the popup install windows 10 prompt was active? I've had this happen with regular reboot messages from windows updates.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#44

Post by Nadya »

teraflop wrote: post #36
Nadya wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it comes down to some level of personal preference - VLC is not faithful to source material in regards to color balance/contrast and this is apparent in scenes with shadows. VLC will have a "washed out" look. Some users prefer that "washed out" look though (for scenes with very heavy shadows it often does look aesthetically better) but others prefer faithfulness to the original. MPC-HC is more faithful to the o…

This is an artifact of hardware YUV->RGB conversion, and can often be fixed by adjusting your video card settings. See e.g. https://wiki.videolan.org/VSG:Video:Color_washed_out/

I was running under the assumption people ran their software "out of the box" and wouldn't want to adjust settings given an absurdly low number of people actually change defaults.

If we're going to take into consideration configurations... even when adjusted it still isn't quite right. There are also issues with debanding and sharpness, see: http://i.imgur.com/qrutuP6.jpg

A properly configured MPC-HC will beat a properly configured VLC. Although many people probably wouldn't care about such minor differences - some people do.

I'm not too heavily opinionated since the end result is visual and thus comes down to personal preference. Given the details are minor and most people wouldn't even notice without showing them, I don't think its of great importance. But if someone's going to be digging through config files and taking time to set something up - they should start with better software and adjust their settings from there.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#45

Post by electrotype »

What do you think about this script on Voat? : https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510

I'm really curious to know your opinion Hacker News. Is this a good way to live with Windows 7 now? It seems to be open-source, easy to apply, it disables telemetry and Windows 10 crap.

Any better alternatives?

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#46

Post by cortesoft »

Sindisil wrote: post #35
ourmandave wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's forced. I came home from work and there was pop-up window which I thought was the usual nag screen. It said my Windows 10 download was ready. Except this one had a count down timer at around 54 minutes left. There was also an option "I need more time...". I X'd the box closed and went on thinking whatever. 54 minutes later, in the middle of typing an email, the system auto rebooted and "Configuring Update fo…

If that's the dialog I think it is, there should be a cancel button that would then roll back the update. Takes a good long while, and is BS of course, but would land you back where you were. Of course, they seem to be iterating on the update dialogs. I'm not saying it's to get past those avoiding the update, but it's probably to get past those avoiding the update.

Assuming you are there to respond to the dialog.... if you aren't, then the timer will go off and it will be too late.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#47

Post by deadcast »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Strangely nobody has ever caught this on video. Just a handful of anonymous people claiming "I totally didn't hit the wrong button in the UI!!" Now, sure, I'd agree it should be harder to accidentally upgrade your PC. In particular for layman users. But I am generally skeptical that this is any more than just user error until proven otherwise. I have a Windows 7 PC I use regularly, I too get the upgrade prompts, but…

I highly doubt that the people on Reddit and HN are just making this up. It's not like an "Automatic Update" is that remarkable of a claim. Forbes[1] a few days ago and others recently wrote about this very issue. So far it seems like a pretty real problem. Sucks it's messing with so many. :/

[1]http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft...

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#48

Post by newman314 »

electrotype wrote: post #45

What do you think about this script on Voat? : https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510 I'm really curious to know your opinion Hacker News. Is this a good way to live with Windows 7 now? It seems to be open-source, easy to apply, it disables telemetry and Windows 10 crap. Any better alternatives?

Shutup10 and Spybot Anti-beacon

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#49

Post by saidajigumi »

justinclift wrote: post #41
acqq wrote: post #2

Maybe the way to block it is still: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 The MSFT decision to perform forced updates is covered, for example, by Extreme Tech, February 2: "Look out: Microsoft shifts Windows 10 to ‘Recommended’ update, automatic download" http://www.extremetech.com/computing/222326-look-out-micro…

I'm really hoping this crap badly affects the computers of some large justice/gov systems around the world (and/or the home computers of senior judges). That should get the right people involved for sticking the boots in.

If the IT staff for any large organization hasn't reviewed their inventory for affected systems and taken appropriate steps... that's outright incompetence. The writing has been on the wall for years and MS clearly documents unaffected systems (which includes Windows 7 Enterprise) and the required Group Policy to block the update[1].

[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#50

Post by electrotype »

newman314 wrote: post #48
electrotype wrote: post #45

What do you think about this script on Voat? : https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510 I'm really curious to know your opinion Hacker News. Is this a good way to live with Windows 7 now? It seems to be open-source, easy to apply, it disables telemetry and Windows 10 crap. Any better alternatives?

Shutup10 and Spybot Anti-beacon

And why those?
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