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Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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Restarting from a full stop requires good pedestrian awareness. In city traffic, there might be people crossing in front of the car when it's stopped. Restart also requires getting the driver back on line. They're probably on a phone. That's why some driver input to start motion is desirable. The user interface problems for automatic driving are very tough.

I think that with cars that offer 'full stop' cruise control the driver must press a button to indicate that they're ready to roll again after the car has stopped it's self (or perhaps tap the gas). Not positive, that what I remember hearing. That way it's still the driver's responsibility, but it's easy enough that it doesn't annoy the driver.

Tesla's doesn't. At least not 99% of the time(occasionally I'll get a hold message but most of the time it just resumes).

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From the article: "as long as lane markings remain visible and another vehicle is in front of the car." That's more like platooning, which was demoed two decades ago in Demo 97 [1], than self-driving. Are there more details about how this works, especially about autopilot disconnect and user takeover? Tesla's system is known to have trouble with offramps.[2] (Tesla customers are very forgiving. "It's a beta", one say…

I agreed that there needs to be a system of accountability for both the driver and manufacturer as well as proper marketing of said features. This article and the misleading title could very well cause the same damage as directly marketing the technology as a "magic all-in-one solution." Much as the companies and supporters like to see automated driving pushed through development and testing quickly, the public and private corporations needs to realize that "breaking things" can involve fatal accidents.

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I also really enjoy my Subaru EyeSight. I've only run into one terrible experience, and that is when I went into a automated car wash. As soon as the first big scrubby thing approached, the EyeSight flipped out and slammed on the brake, which was jolting and scary. Kind of obvious looking back on it, of course, and now I remember to turn it off when I wash my car.

You're supposed to turn off your car when you're in a car wash, so I'm not exactly sure that this was the car's fault :)

Depends on the car wash - some are full drive-through, where you have to drive under power from one end to the other.

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This is fucking ridiculous. Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; why do they all actively attempt to thwart other drivers from getting into the lanes they need?

That's the competitive reality of driving in congested, urban areas. Drivers who cut in can save a lot of time over the course of a commute. They disrupt traffic flows and delay everyone else. So efficient traffic flows have to be defended. > Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; Yes, and some drivers like, for instance, to pass around 25 other cars who are making the same…

The problem is that traffic engineers disagree with your assessment of efficiency. You are effectively using aggressive driving (a crime) in order to circumvent actual laws (yield to mergers) and to self-righteously defend the worldview that you have constructed in order to provide a superficially logically consistent explanation for your emotional frustration about losing out.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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Once cars are autonomous, it makes it drastically simpler to carpool/rideshare or even pick up and drop off riders that may share the same or partial route as you. Also if your car is able to drop you off, it can be a shared resource when you don't need it.

I want to reply to all three of you (turtlebits, maxerickson, teod) with basically the same points. I'll put it here because yours is currently the top-ranked reply, but I am going to address all three of you. > Once cars are autonomous, it makes it drastically simpler to carpool/rideshare or even pick up and drop off riders that may share the same or partial route as you. I don't see how it is drastically simpler. Y…

> True, but the bigger issue is, will the current occupant of the vehicle ever say yes?

People are already doing this with their houses (Airbnb). Why not their cars?

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That's sad that it doesn't handle heavy traffic well. That should be where it does best . Tesla's system, for example, is nice on the open road but absolutely wonderful in heavy traffic. Too bad about not handling full stops, too. I wonder if that's a technical limitation, or if it's just something they didn't want to allow.

Oh man, all this. I thought Autopilot was nifty but it wasn't until I slogged through ~40 minutes of rush hour without touching the pedals or wheel when I realized how awesome it really was. It's useful at-speed but the killer app really is rush hour traffic.

I thought Autopilot was nifty but it wasn't until I slogged through ~40 minutes of rush hour without touching the pedals or wheel when I realized how awesome it really was.

Which car can do this?

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Oh man, all this. I thought Autopilot was nifty but it wasn't until I slogged through ~40 minutes of rush hour without touching the pedals or wheel when I realized how awesome it really was. It's useful at-speed but the killer app really is rush hour traffic.

I thought Autopilot was nifty but it wasn't until I slogged through ~40 minutes of rush hour without touching the pedals or wheel when I realized how awesome it really was. Which car can do this?

All Autopilot equipped Teslas.

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There was a startup that for $10,000 it was a third party option package that was self driving. I wonder how it is doing with all these car companies that create their own options for self-driving.

You mean the one just recently bought by one of the big car companies for north of $1B? http://fortune.com/2016/03/11/gm-buying-self-driving-tech-st...

Yeah I think that's the one! Wow good for them, I remember reading about them last year, then after that I never really heard about them again.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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That's the competitive reality of driving in congested, urban areas. Drivers who cut in can save a lot of time over the course of a commute. They disrupt traffic flows and delay everyone else. So efficient traffic flows have to be defended. > Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; Yes, and some drivers like, for instance, to pass around 25 other cars who are making the same…

Okay, maybe we are talking about different things. Skipping a clearly identifiable line is one thing - the driver sees that they could just get in line and decides not to. I am more interested in why you would actively avoid making space when there is no clear way to get into the lane except by finding an open space.

Because, for one thing, it's not someone's god-given right to move from a lane that is nearly standing still from one that is moving fast.

"Gee whiz, I just joined this freeway, and damn it, I'm gonna edge my my way all the way to the fast moving left most lane at practically ninety degrees to the traffic flow."

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The article really wants to compare with electric vehicles, for some reason. The subheading says "they are being snapped up faster than electrified vehicles." This is repeated in the article, which says the relevant options packages "are being snapped up at a far higher rate than electrified vehicles." Discussing the Q50's technology package and how many buyers opt for it, it says "That’s three times as many people w…

The interest in self driving cars is much higher than in EVs for the general population. EVs even with two hundred mile range models coming out; I hope to get a lease on a Bolt by next Spring; will still have more limitations than people will accept. Even if the limitations aren't that burdensome it will take time for people to understand that. Still they will see 200 mile range and half hour or more charging versus the 300 to 600 mile range that petrol cars use.

Automation has so many more payoffs than electrification that I think its a better investment in the short term. The lives than can be saved, the freedom offered to those who cannot drive for varied reasons, and the fuel savings as well, all conspire to make automation the next big thing.

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