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Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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In the early 2000's, I was hanging out sometimes in western North Carolina, and there was this young woman who has in the habit of getting together with some friends and driving around the clock to get to Colorado and back on short trips, instead of flying. I'm wondering if this technology isn't going to be used for such purposes.

If I could get in my car, read a bit and fall asleep, and wake up in Las Vegas from San Francisco, I'd prefer it over flying every time. But this has more to do with how air travel has become miserable than anything else.

Just think of much better family road trips would be with a self-driving RV.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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Conversations about self-driving have focused on zero defect rate in-city self-driving vehicles, but a lot of these technologies are reaching Pareto-efficient levels of usefulness. I don't need my car to drive the first and last miles; I'd be perfectly happy if it just drove on the highway. And why do humans drive long haul trucks for anything other than the first and last miles? Trucks should drive themselves betwee…

Even fully automated, trucks have much longer response times in dangerous situations. The fatal accidents would be inevitable, and the legal response vicious. Never mind that automated trucks would probably be less likely overall to be in an accident.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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I've got the same car and you're dead on. I really wanted the automatic cruise control but the truth is it's a hassle in the city on the highway. I don't want to constantly adjust the distance between the car in front of me and my car as conditions change so I end up just managing it myself without cruise control or setting it 'classic' mode where it doesn't use the radar. That said shortly after I bought the car I d…

That's sad that it doesn't handle heavy traffic well. That should be where it does best . Tesla's system, for example, is nice on the open road but absolutely wonderful in heavy traffic. Too bad about not handling full stops, too. I wonder if that's a technical limitation, or if it's just something they didn't want to allow.

Tesla switched to electromechanical brakes with the introduction of it's Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (“autopilot”) system. https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/your-autopilot-has-arrived says “In October of last year we started equipping Model S with hardware to allow for the incremental introduction of self-driving technology: […] and a high-precision digitally-controlled electric assist braking system.”

On the one hand, this makes it sound like a technical limitation with hydraulic brakes.

On the other hand, learning the response of your particular car's brakes seems similar to a number of tasks that the car automation has to do anyway. It's a different program and running on different processors, but ABS is an existence proof of this and works fine with a variety of braking systems.

I'd be interested in hearing from someone who knows more about automative systems and automation.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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I've got the same car and you're dead on. I really wanted the automatic cruise control but the truth is it's a hassle in the city on the highway. I don't want to constantly adjust the distance between the car in front of me and my car as conditions change so I end up just managing it myself without cruise control or setting it 'classic' mode where it doesn't use the radar. That said shortly after I bought the car I d…

>I really wanted the automatic cruise control but the truth is it's a hassle in the city on the highway. Yeah, that's one thing I've noticed. Of the three options you get for following distance, even the "closest" one leaves a pretty long gap between you and the vehicle ahead of you. So people will pass you, pull into that gap, and then your car will slow down to open up a long gap between them and you. Lather, rinse…

It still works well for long drives or when traffic is quite light. I'm glad I have it. Just not the panacea I was hoping for.

I REALLY wanted the automatic breaking, and I'm glad I have that.

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Language is organic and constantly changing. I used to insist on calling my drone, a remote controlled quadcopter, as drones were those autonomous military vehicles dropping bombs on weddings in the Middle East. But everyone now from the news to the FAA calls my little RC toy, a drone. Sure, it bothers me to watch words like self-driving and hoverboard lose their meaning. If someone as influential as Obama can't prot…

Don't forget "hacker": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(term)#Hacker_definitio...

and my favourite "coder"

I'm not a coder, I'm a programmer, I lack the lumberjack shirt, skinny jeans and macbook.

Re: Honda's $20k Civic LX now offers self-driving capability for highway use

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I've got the same car and you're dead on. I really wanted the automatic cruise control but the truth is it's a hassle in the city on the highway. I don't want to constantly adjust the distance between the car in front of me and my car as conditions change so I end up just managing it myself without cruise control or setting it 'classic' mode where it doesn't use the radar. That said shortly after I bought the car I d…

That's sad that it doesn't handle heavy traffic well. That should be where it does best . Tesla's system, for example, is nice on the open road but absolutely wonderful in heavy traffic. Too bad about not handling full stops, too. I wonder if that's a technical limitation, or if it's just something they didn't want to allow.

Restarting from a full stop requires good pedestrian awareness. In city traffic, there might be people crossing in front of the car when it's stopped. Restart also requires getting the driver back on line. They're probably on a phone. That's why some driver input to start motion is desirable.

The user interface problems for automatic driving are very tough.

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This looks like the "Sensing" feature that Honda has implemented on some of their other vehicles. I just bought a 2016 Accord that does the same thing -- there's a camera mounted on the windshield, another camera in the front grille, and a radar sensor on the front bumper. Calling it "self-driving" is kind of a misnomer and I think the article kind of blows it out of proportion. It will track the car in front of you…

I would guess you are correct about how they make sure your hands are on the wheel. I've done some car hacking and one of the things that surprised me was how sensitive some cars steering wheels are to pressure. It was impossible to keep it in the same position according to the car's internal electronic systems with my hands on it. This is car is 4 years old, so it's probably only gotten more sensitive.

I have a Tesla, that also requires hands on the wheel from time to time. I'd assumed it was capacitive. It hadn't occurred to me that it might be subtle movements, because the wheel is unresponsive until you make a purposeful movement, at which point it starts moving with your hands; and you can just rest your hands against it lightly to let it know they're there. But of course it could be sensing subtle forces, even if it switching modes only on larger forces.

Is there a test for whether it's capacitive? Like, does the fact that it works with gloves on mean it's not capacitive? (That's diagnostic for capacitive touch screens, but they're smaller and trying to detect finer motion and from just the fingers.)

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This is fucking ridiculous. Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; why do they all actively attempt to thwart other drivers from getting into the lanes they need?

That's the competitive reality of driving in congested, urban areas. Drivers who cut in can save a lot of time over the course of a commute. They disrupt traffic flows and delay everyone else. So efficient traffic flows have to be defended. > Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; Yes, and some drivers like, for instance, to pass around 25 other cars who are making the same…

Although zipper merges are supposedly more efficient :-)

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07/the-beauty-of-zipper-mer...

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This is fucking ridiculous. Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; why do they all actively attempt to thwart other drivers from getting into the lanes they need?

That's the competitive reality of driving in congested, urban areas. Drivers who cut in can save a lot of time over the course of a commute. They disrupt traffic flows and delay everyone else. So efficient traffic flows have to be defended. > Surely all drivers have to change lanes at some point to get where they're going; Yes, and some drivers like, for instance, to pass around 25 other cars who are making the same…

Okay, maybe we are talking about different things. Skipping a clearly identifiable line is one thing - the driver sees that they could just get in line and decides not to.

I am more interested in why you would actively avoid making space when there is no clear way to get into the lane except by finding an open space.

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>I really wanted the automatic cruise control but the truth is it's a hassle in the city on the highway. Yeah, that's one thing I've noticed. Of the three options you get for following distance, even the "closest" one leaves a pretty long gap between you and the vehicle ahead of you. So people will pass you, pull into that gap, and then your car will slow down to open up a long gap between them and you. Lather, rinse…

It still works well for long drives or when traffic is quite light. I'm glad I have it. Just not the panacea I was hoping for. I REALLY wanted the automatic breaking, and I'm glad I have that.

yeah, the automatic braking is worth it. Yesterday someone abruptly cut me off; the car hit the brakes to avoid a collision more quickly than I would have reacted myself.
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