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Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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It's a great illustration of the lack of rigor around this stuff.

My college provided significant benefits to ADHD diagnosed students. Rather than take finals in stadium seating, you got a personal, air conditioned office, received unlimited time and could use reference material.

A few of my friends found a "Do you need Ritalin" quizzes in a magazine, went to a doc-in-the-box and got the diagnosis. They sold the Ritalin and got better grades.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say strict but don't you really just mean threatening children with violence? The last time someone told me to stand still so they could hit me as hard as they could with a cane was when I was 7 or 8 years old. That's not education. Real educators, much like real democracy, do not rely on fear and violence to control others.

I definitely understand why using fear to control children is a bad thing, but as for violence, it's at the root of all power anyway. Whenever you impose a disciplinary sanction, it's implicit that if the sanction is not respected, it will be replaced by an alternative, at least as harsh sanction, and eventually the alternative sanction will be violent. Fear is clearly not a great way of controlling your children, bu…

While it's often pointed out that children are not rational actors, I'd also like to include that parents are not rational actors all the time either.

Often people want to impose a rule on their children without properly evaluating it because its what they were taught, and has become part and parcel of their socialization.

Other times people must impose a rule on their children due to government regulation (e.g. you can't leave children under X age home without someone over Y age responsible for them). In those cases, people fail to explain their guiding logic because no one likes to say "I have to do this, the government is making me do it through threat of jail time" and thus their justification---both to themselves and their children---comes off as flimsy.

Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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It's a great illustration of the lack of rigor around this stuff. My college provided significant benefits to ADHD diagnosed students. Rather than take finals in stadium seating, you got a personal, air conditioned office, received unlimited time and could use reference material. A few of my friends found a "Do you need Ritalin" quizzes in a magazine, went to a doc-in-the-box and got the diagnosis. They sold the Rita…

you got a personal, air conditioned office, received unlimited time and could use reference material [...] They sold the Ritalin and got better grades

As unfair as that seems to the students who took their finals in stadium seating, that's a pretty sweet hack. The system is fucked up, but I can't help but admire your friends deciding to use it to their advantage.

Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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With luck, they've been rendered sunken-cheeked speed freaks with no teeth. No one ever bothers to draw a line, and connect the dots between the ritalin trend of the 90's and the Faces Of Meth that cropped up just after the turn of the millenium.

With luck, they've been rendered sunken-cheeked speed freaks with no teeth.

Why would you wish that on anybody? That's not a particularly enlightened attitude.

Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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I was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid in elementary school but I didn't want to take the medication (Or I may have just been being contrary...). and now as a junior in college I'm considering talking to a doctor to see whether medication might be able to help me focus. I find myself constantly unable to fin-

Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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With luck, they've been rendered sunken-cheeked speed freaks with no teeth. No one ever bothers to draw a line, and connect the dots between the ritalin trend of the 90's and the Faces Of Meth that cropped up just after the turn of the millenium.

With luck, they've been rendered sunken-cheeked speed freaks with no teeth. Why would you wish that on anybody? That's not a particularly enlightened attitude.

Didn't say it was good luck.

;)

Re: Youngest Kids in Class at Higher Risk of ADHD Diagnosis

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Removing actual firm discipline for all the young boys has been a disaster. We replaced strict and perhaps unpleasant discipline in favor of medicine, and its worse long term side effect profile.

Or we could recognize that young boys are naturally energetic and that this is not a bad thing. If we could teach them in a way that channels that energy instead of forcing them to sit in a chair for 6 hours a day, they might actually learn something.
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